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Is there any way to keep asp.net web application running system timer in background? [duplicate]

I am building a website using .NET 4. There are lots of MSDN articles dating from 2003, about using Thread objects and 2007, using Asynchronous Pages in .NET 2, but that is all pretty stale. I know .NET 4 brought us the Task class and some people vaguely cautioning against its use for this purpose.
So I ask you, what is the "preferred" method circa 2011 for running background/asynchronous work under IIS in ASP.NET 4? What caveats are there about using Thread/Task directly? Is Async=true still in vogue?
EDIT: Ok, ok, from the answers it's clear the opinion is that I should make a service if I can. But the advantages to doing it inside the webapp are significant, especially easier deployment/redeployment. Assuming the process is safe-to-crash, then, if I were to do it inside IIS, what is the best way?

Preferentially, avoid having long tasks executing in such an environment.
Delegate long running tasks out to a stable system service via interoperability, leaving the web application responsive and only required for direct user requests.
Web applications have never been (and still aren't) considered reliable systems - anyone who has ever used a browser has encountered (at least) a time-out, to be sure; and such inconvenience (for both parties) is not limited to this scenario. Of course, any system can crash, but the circumstances surrounding such an event on a system built-to-be-persistent ought to completely exceptional.
Windows services are designed to be long running, and if something goes wrong you've generally got more to worry about than your individual service.

It's best to be avoided, but if you are forced to, consider Hanselman's thoughts at How to run Background Tasks in ASP.NET.
Among them, and for something quick and easy, I would suggest you look in particular at the QueueBackgroundWorkItem added in 4.5.2.
From personal experience, Task does not cut it. QueueBackgroundWorkItem is much better.

You can create a static ThreadPool like this http://www.dotnetperls.com/threadpool with limited threads number(for example only 2). and then queue tasks in it, but it's highly not recommended because web servers are not for such kind of tasks

My preferred method is the same as Robert Harvey proposes in his answer.
You can still use the Task Parallel Library, but spin the task up in a separate process outside of IIS (the reason being that IIS has a limited number of worker threads to hand out and imposes other limitations that can make long running tasks unpredictable).

This is a description of a 'once a day' scenario.
If you really want to avoid creating a service, you could start a timer with 1 minute intervals. Each time the timer delegate is invoked, you will have to run something like this (pseudo code):
lastInvokeDay = LoadLastInvokeDate();
If (lastInvokeDay < DateTime.Now.Date && timeOfDayToRun == DateTime.Now.Time)
{
try
{
today = DateTime.Now.Date;
runMyTask();
}
catch..
finally
{
lastInvokeDay = today;
SaveLastInvokeDay(lastInvokeDay);
}
}
Keep in mind that the lastInvokeDay should be persisted either in Database or on a file...
Now, If you want to enable immediate invocation of the task, you could simply call runMyTask() on demand.
If its important for you to keep the runMyTask from occuring more than once a day, you could create a syncronized block of code inside it (with a lock statement) and move the lastInvokeDay check inside.
Does this answer your question?

I could suggest a simple solution, which doesn't use Windows Services, yet is able to invoke a task to be executed outside of the IIS sandbox.
Also it could be easily adopted by any other language or mix of them, in my case that was Python
Create Event log and source on the IIS server (requires Administrative rights), executing from the PowerShell console:
[System.Diagnostics.EventLog]::CreateEventSource('Automations', 'Automations')
If you have no Administrative rights, skip this step. You will fallback to use Windows/Application log
Create a Task Scheduler task to be executed on event, for example, with ID = 2020, Log = 'Automations' and Source = 'Automations'. There you could invoke whatever you like with all necessary permissions
Prepare a code to send your event, while handling a web request. Giving you a Python example, but you could adopt it to your language:
import win32evtlog
app_name = "Automations"
event_id = 2020
event_category = 0
event_type = win32evtlog.EVENTLOG_INFORMATION_TYPE
messages = ['Starting automation']
# Logs event into the custom Automations log if it exists,
# otherwise logs event into Windows/Application log
handle = win32evtlog.OpenEventLog("localhost", app_name)
win32evtlog.ReportEvent(handle, event_type, event_category, event_id, None, messages, None)
Profit

How to prevent NHibernate long-running process from locking up web site?

I have an NHibernate MVC application that is using ReadCommitted Isolation.
On the site, there is a certain process that the user could initiate, and depending on the input, may take several minutes. This is because the session is per request and is open that entire time.
But while that runs, no other user can access the site (they can try, but their request won't go through unless the long-running thing is finished)
What's more, I also have a need to have a console app that also performs this long running function while connecting to the same database. It is causing the same issue.
I'm not sure what part of my setup is wrong, any feedback would be appreciated.
NHibernate is set up with fluent configuration and StructureMap.
Isolation level is set as ReadCommitted.
The session factory lifecycle is HybridLifeCycle (which on the web should be Session per request, but on the win console app would be ThreadLocal)

It sounds like your requests are waiting on database locks. Your options are really:
Break the long running process into a series of smaller transactions.
Use ReadUncommitted isolation level most of the time (this is appropriate in a lot of use cases).
Judicious use of Snapshot isolation level (Assuming you're using MS-SQL 2005 or later).
(N.B. I'm assuming the long-running function does a lot of reads/writes and the requests being blocked are primarily doing reads.)

As has been suggested, breaking your process down into multiple smaller transactions will probably be the solution.
I would suggest looking at something like Rhino Service Bus or NServiceBus (my preference is Rhino Service Bus - I find it much simpler to work with personally). What that allows you to do is separate the functionality down into small chunks, but maintain the transactional nature. Essentially with a service bus, you send a message to initiate a piece of work, the piece of work will be enlisted in a distributed transaction along with receiving the message, so if something goes wrong, the message will not just disappear, leaving your system in a potentially inconsistent state.
Depending on what you need to do, you could send an initial message to start the processing, and then after each step, send a new message to initiate the next step. This can really help to break down the transactions into much smaller pieces of work (and simplify the code). The two service buses I mentioned (there is also Mass Transit), also have things like retries built in, and error handling, so that if something goes wrong, the message ends up in an error queue and you can investigate what went wrong, hopefully fix it, and reprocess the message, thus ensuring your system remains consistent.
Of course whether this is necessary depends on the requirements of your system :)

Another, but more complex solution would be:
You build a background robot application which runs on one of the machines
this background worker robot can be receive "worker jobs" (the one initiated by the user)
then, the robot processes the jobs step & step in the background
Pitfalls are:
- you have to programm this robot very stable
- you need to watch the robot somehow
Sure, this is involves more work - on the flip side you will have the option to integrate more job-types, enabling your system to process different things in the background.

I think the design of your application /SQL statements has a problem , unless you are facebook I dont think any process it should take all this time , it is better to review your design and check where is the bottleneck are, instead of trying to make this long running process continue .
also some times ORM is not good for every scenario , did you try to use SP ?

C# .NET workload processing a'la job queue processing examples ideas?

As part of my constant learning curve into what you can do to make apps scale better, I am currently trying to get a direction to go with queuing, i.e. job queuing or workload processing whichever phrase you like.
In the distant past I used IBM MQ/Series - it worked for a financial app but quite heavy if I remember.
I know of MSMQ, and I have also heard of quite a few others.
But first, here is my context
I have a C#/.NET back-end web app which serves data etc to a Javascript (mostly jQuery etc) front-end via AJAX calls etc. I have a situation where a certain action involves uploading some files, setting up a few record entries in the database, emailing some users etc. So of course I don't want to make this process "online"/"real-time" due to the possible time delay and I am sure the overheads on the webserver/database etc.
So given the type of "messages" that I need to queue and process, what would be (I shouldn't just say easy here I guess!) a good start point? should I run with MSMQ and/or the SQL 2008 service broker stuff, or something like ZeroMQ - or should I simply create my own lightweight workload queue service?
I realise again without seeing the full picture it is hard to make full recommendations, however any start points gratefully received!
David

Don't try to make your own, please! There are so many things to take into account that you will spend more time on it than the rest of your project most probably.
I'd say go for MSMQ, it's very easy to use with WCF, the queues are transactional, have a retry mechanism, etc, and you benefit from the MSMQ UI to see the messages, move them and so on.

Desktop Notifications, aka Internal Alert System

It has become apparent that where I work needs, internally, a "notification system". The issue being that we are very spread out throughout multiple buildings and the bulk of the work force regularly keeps there email closed for hours at a time.
I need to create a simple way to be able to push out a message and have it "pop up" on everyones computer(or a single computer).
My first thought was to write a windows service that calls a winform/wpf app that resides on each computer that simply pops up with the message. Not sure how viable an idea that is but this is just brain-storming.
A different route, I thought, could be an app that resides in the systray on each computer that polls a db table and using the Query Notifications could pop up a message each time a new row is added. Then simply create an insanely basic app for writing a row to that table.
So, what I am asking is if any one else has walked this path. If so, how?
What things did you take into
consideration?
Are either of my ideas valid starting
points or are "egg and my face in
perfect alignment"?
Is there a different way that is even
simpler?
Thanks
Some simple requirements --> Must be "One Way" as I cannot give our user base a "chat" system. Must be, somewhat, hidden so as to discourage users shutting it off. A la system tray or service.

Wouldn't net send save you reinventing the wheel?

I've never done this but I've worked in a call-centre that did use something similar and they're insanely useful. I remember once when everyone got a message saying "does anyone know Mandarin? HELP ME!!" Brilliant. (Luckily someone did.)
Anyway your ideas are perfectly fine. Personally I'd do this as a client/server application. A windows forms or WPF application that sits in the systray could link to a server using a TCP/IP duplex connection using WCF. Perhaps get the client to register to certain groups depending on the department of the PC it's sitting on.
Then when someone wants to send a message they select which group it needs to go to (or all groups), the message hits the server which sends out to all connected clients, and the WPF app on the computer receives the message and pops it up. You don't even need a database except to store the users/groups, and the message history if you need to.

This might be a ridiculous answer but have you considered implementing a chat system? It's simple to implement and well tested.
Here are some possibilities:
http://messenger.softros.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_messaging#User_base
Article on building your own:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9002059/How_to_build_your_own_corporate_IM_system_

The easiest way to do this is to have a simple client on each machine polling a central service for alerts. Each alert should have a unique id so each client can deal with idempotency (you don't want the central service keeping tabs on which clients have "popped up").
I also recommend having a reasonably short lifespan for each alert, so the client only needs to know a very short list of alerts it has displayed and so if a machine was re-started, only a small history of alerts would be displayed.
With 300 subscribers, you'll want the polling to involve a nice long gap too - you don't really want 300 checks every 10 seconds - so you'll have to balance the technical desire for long gaps between checks with the business requirement to get an alert within a certain timeframe.
You could easily achieve this with a NET/TCP WCF service being polled by either a WINFORM / WPF application that is added as a start up program, or a windows service that then spawns a UI to display the notification.

I did something like this a long time ago to coordinate smoke breaks. I simply sent a broadcast packet out on the LAN at a specific port. Worked relatively well, although since anybody could broadcast and everybody would get a popup, it got abused a lot.

I would recommend you SPARK. We have same problem in my firm and finally decided to save time and do not reinventing the wheel and use existing (freeware) solution. SPARK does the job for us.
"Spark is an Open Source, cross-platform IM client optimized for businesses and organizations. It features built-in support for group chat, telephony integration, and strong security. It also offers a great end-user experience with features like in-line spell checking, group chat room bookmarks, and tabbed conversations."

If you cannot use / install existing IMs you might thing about implementing simple "chat" protocol in your app.
It is quite easy do that base on sockets and many articles available.
For example:
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/TCPIPChat.aspx
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/miscctrl/SimpleMessenger.aspx?display=Print
If you need something advanced (eg. receive historical notification, users status management etc) you can consider using openSource Jabber API:
Eg http://www.codeproject.com/KB/gadgets/googletalk.aspx

Building a scalable ASP.NET MVC Web Application

I'm currently in the process of building an ASP.NET MVC web application in c#.
I want to make sure that this application is built so that it can scale out in the future without the need for major re-factoring.
I'm quite keen on using some sort of queue to post any writes to my database base to and have a process which polls that queue asynchronously to perform the update. Once this data has been posted back to the database the client then needs to be updated with the new information. The implication here being that the process to write the data back to the database could take a short while based on business rules executing on the server.
My question is what would be the best way to handle the update from the client\browser perspective.
I'm thinking along the lines of posting the data back to the server and adding it to the queue and immediately sending a response to the client then polling at some frequency to get the updated data. Any best practices or patterns on this would be appreciated.
Also in terms of reading data from the database would you suggest using any particular techniques or would reading straight from db be sufficient given my scenario.
Update
Thought I'd post an update on this as it's been a while. We've actually ended up using Windows Azure but the solution is applicable to other platforms.
What we've ended up doing is using the Windows Azure Queue to post messages\commands to. This is a very quick process and returns immediately. We then have a worker role which processes these messages on another thread. This allows us to minimize any db writes\updates on the web role in theory allowing us to scale more easily.
We handle informing the user via emails or even silently depending on the type of data we are dealing with.

Not sure if this helps but why dont you have an auto refresh on the page every 30 seconds for example. This is sometimes how news feeds work on sports websites, saying the page will be updated every x minutes.
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="120;url=index.aspx">

Why not let the user manually poll the status of the request? This is how your typical e-commerce app is implemented. When you purchase something online, the order is submitted to a queue for fullfillment. After it's submitted, the user is presented with a "Thank you for your order" page and a link where they can check the status of the order. The user can visit the link anytime to check the status, no need for an auto-poll mechanism.
Is your scenario so different from this?

Sorry in my previous answer I might have misunderstood. I was talking of a "queue" as something stored in a SQL DB, but it seems on reading your post again you are may be talking about a separate message queueing component like MSMQ or JMS?
I would never put a message queue in the front end, between a user and backend SQL DB. Queues are good for scaling across time, which is suitable between backend components, where variances in processing times are acceptable (e.g. order fulfillment)... when dealing with users, this variance is usually not acceptable.

While I don't know if I agree with the logic of why, I do know that something like jQuery is going to make your life a LOT easier. I would suggest making a RESTful web API that your client-side code consumes. For example, you want to post a new order to the system and have the client responsive? Make a post to www.mystore.com/order/create and have that return the new URI to access the order (i.e. order#) as a URI (www.mystore.com/order/1234). That response is then stored in the client code and a jQuery call is setup to poll for a response or stop polling on an error.
For further reading check out this Wikipedia article on the concept of REST.
Additionally you might consider the Reactive Extensions for .NET and within that check out the RxJS sub-project which has some pretty slick ways of handling with the polling problem without causing you to write the polling code yourself. Fun things to play with!

Maybe you can add a "pending transactions" area to the UI. When you queue a transaction, add it to the user's "pending transactions" list.
When it completes, show that in the user's "pending transactions" list the next time they request a new page.
You can make a completed transaction stay listed until the user clicks on it, or for a predetermined length of time.