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Possible Rendering Performance Optimizations

I was doing some benchmarking today using C# and OpenTK, just to see how much I could actually render before the framerate dropped. The numbers I got were pretty astronomical, and I am quite happy with the outcome of my tests.
In my project I am loading the blender monkey, which is 968 triangles. I then instance it and render it 100 times. This means that I am rendering 96,800 triangles per frame. This number far exceeds anything that I would need to render during any given scene in my game. And after this I pushed it even further and rendered 2000 monkeys at varying locations. I was now rendering a whopping 1,936,000 (almost 2 million triangles per frame) and the framerate was still locked at 60 frames per second! That number just blew my mind. I pushed it even further and finally the framerate started to drop, but this just means that the limit is roughly 4 million triangles per frame with instancing.
I was just wondering though, because I am using some legacy OpenGL, if this could still be pushed even further—or should I even bother?
For my tests I load the blender monkey model, store it into a display list using the deprecated calls like:
modelMeshID = MeshGenerator.Generate( delegate {
GL.Begin( PrimitiveType.Triangles );
foreach( Face f in model.Faces ) {
foreach( ModelVertex p in f.Points ) {
Vector3 v = model.Vertices[ p.Vertex ];
Vector3 n = model.Normals[ p.Normal ];
Vector2 tc = model.TexCoords[ p.TexCoord ];
GL.Normal3( n.X , n.Y , n.Z );
GL.TexCoord2( tc.Y , tc.X );
GL.Vertex3( v.X , v.Y , v.Z );
}
}
GL.End();
} );
and then call that list x amount of times. My question though, is if I could speed this up if I threw VAO's (Vertex Array Objects) into the display list instead of the old GL.Vertex3 api? Would this effect performance at all? Or would it create the same outcome with the display list?
Here is a screen grab of a few thousand:
My system specs:
CPU: AMD Athlon IIx4(quad core) 620 2.60 GHz
Graphics Card: AMD Radeon HD 6800

My question though, is if I could speed this up if I threw VAO's (Vertex Array Objects) into the display list instead of the old GL.Vertex3 api? Would this effect performance at all? Or would it create the same outcome with the display list?
No.
The main problem you're going to run into is, that Display Lists and Vertex Arrays don't go well with each other. Using buffer objects they kind of work, but display lists themself are legacy like the immediate mode drawing API.
However, even if you manage to get the VBO drawing from within a display list right, there'll be slightly an improvement: When compiling the display list the OpenGL driver knows, that everything that is arriving will be "frozen" eventually. This allows for some very aggressive internal optimization; all the geometry data will be packed up into a buffer object on the GPU, state changes are coalesced. AMD is not quite as good at this game as NVidia, but they're not bad either; display lists are heavily used in CAD applications and before ATI addressed the entertainment market, they were focused on CAD, so their display list implementation is not bad at all. If you pack up all the relevant state changes required for a particular drawing call into the display list, then when calling the display list you'll likely drop into the fast path.
I pushed it even further and finally the framerate started to drop, but this just means that the limit is roughly 4 million triangles per frame with instancing.
What's actually limiting you there is the overhead on calling the display list. I suggest you add a little bit more geometry into the DL and try again.
Display Lists are shockingly efficient. That they got removed from modern OpenGL is mostly because they can be effectively used only with the immediate mode drawing commands. Also recent things like transform feedback and conditional rendering would have been very difficult to integrate into display lists. So they got removed; and rightfully so, because Display Lists are kind of awkward to work with.
Now if you look at Vulkan the essential idea is to set up as much of the drawing commands (state changes, resource bindings and so on) upfront in command buffers and reuse those for varying data. This is like if you could create multiple display lists and have them make babies.

Using vertex lists, begin and end causes the monkey geometry to be sent to the GPU every iteration, going through PCI-E, which is the slowest memory interface you have during rendering. Also, depending on your GL implementation, every call to GL can have more or less overhead on it's own. If you used buffer objects, all that overhead would be gone, because you only send the monkey over once and then all you need is a draw call every iteration.
However, the monkey geometry is tiny (just a few kb), so sending it over the PCI-E bus (at like 16 GB/s?), plus the few hundred iterations of the "geometry loop", would not even take a millisecond. And even that will not touch your frame-rate because, unless you are explicitly synchronizing, it will be completely absorbed by pipelining: the copying and the draw call will run while the GPU is still busy rendering the previous frame. At the time, the GPU starts rendering the next frame, the data is already there.
That is why I am guessing, given you have a fairly optimized GL implementation (good drivers) that using buffer objects, would not yield any speed-up. Note that in the face of bigger and more complex geometry and rendering operations, buffer objects will of course become crucial to performance. Small buffers might even stay cached on chip between draw calls.
Nevertheless, as a serious speed-freak, you definitely want to double-check and verify these sorts of guesstimates :)

Making C# mandelbrot drawing more efficient

First of all, I am aware that this question really sounds as if I didn't search, but I did, a lot.
I wrote a small Mandelbrot drawing code for C#, it's basically a windows form with a PictureBox on which I draw the Mandelbrot set.
My problem is, is that it's pretty slow. Without a deep zoom it does a pretty good job and moving around and zooming is pretty smooth, takes less than a second per drawing, but once I start to zoom in a little and get to places which require more calculations it becomes really slow.
On other Mandelbrot applications my computer does really fine on places which work much slower in my application, so I'm guessing there is much I can do to improve the speed.
I did the following things to optimize it:
Instead of using the SetPixel GetPixel methods on the bitmap object, I used LockBits method to write directly to memory which made things a lot faster.
Instead of using complex number objects (with classes I made myself, not the built-in ones), I emulated complex numbers using 2 variables, re and im. Doing this allowed me to cut down on multiplications because squaring the real part and the imaginary part is something that is done a few time during the calculation, so I just save the square in a variable and reuse the result without the need to recalculate it.
I use 4 threads to draw the Mandelbrot, each thread does a different quarter of the image and they all work simultaneously. As I understood, that means my CPU will use 4 of its cores to draw the image.
I use the Escape Time Algorithm, which as I understood is the fastest?
Here is my how I move between the pixels and calculate, it's commented out so I hope it's understandable:
//Pixel by pixel loop:
for (int r = rRes; r < wTo; r++)
{
for (int i = iRes; i < hTo; i++)
{
//These calculations are to determine what complex number corresponds to the (r,i) pixel.
double re = (r - (w/2))*step + zeroX ;
double im = (i - (h/2))*step - zeroY;
//Create the Z complex number
double zRe = 0;
double zIm = 0;
//Variables to store the squares of the real and imaginary part.
double multZre = 0;
double multZim = 0;
//Start iterating the with the complex number to determine it's escape time (mandelValue)
int mandelValue = 0;
while (multZre + multZim < 4 && mandelValue < iters)
{
/*The new real part equals re(z)^2 - im(z)^2 + re(c), we store it in a temp variable
tempRe because we still need re(z) in the next calculation
*/
double tempRe = multZre - multZim + re;
/*The new imaginary part is equal to 2*re(z)*im(z) + im(c)
* Instead of multiplying these by 2 I add re(z) to itself and then multiply by im(z), which
* means I just do 1 multiplication instead of 2.
*/
zRe += zRe;
zIm = zRe * zIm + im;
zRe = tempRe; // We can now put the temp value in its place.
// Do the squaring now, they will be used in the next calculation.
multZre = zRe * zRe;
multZim = zIm * zIm;
//Increase the mandelValue by one, because the iteration is now finished.
mandelValue += 1;
}
//After the mandelValue is found, this colors its pixel accordingly (unsafe code, accesses memory directly):
//(Unimportant for my question, I doubt the problem is with this because my code becomes really slow
// as the number of ITERATIONS grow, this only executes more as the number of pixels grow).
Byte* pos = px + (i * str) + (pixelSize * r);
byte col = (byte)((1 - ((double)mandelValue / iters)) * 255);
pos[0] = col;
pos[1] = col;
pos[2] = col;
}
}
What can I do to improve this? Do you find any obvious optimization problems in my code?
Right now there are 2 ways I know I can improve it:
I need to use a different type for numbers, double is limited with accuracy and I'm sure there are better non-built-in alternative types which are faster (they multiply and add faster) and have more accuracy, I just need someone to point me where I need to look and tell me if it's true.
I can move processing to the GPU. I have no idea how to do this (OpenGL maybe? DirectX? is it even that simple or will I need to learn a lot of stuff?). If someone can send me links to proper tutorials on this subject or tell me in general about it that would be great.
Thanks a lot for reading that far and hope you can help me :)

If you decide to move the processing to the gpu, you can choose from a number of options. Since you are using C#, XNA will allow you to use HLSL. RB Whitaker has the easiest XNA tutorials if you choose this option. Another option is OpenCL. OpenTK comes with a demo program of a julia set fractal. This would be very simple to modify to display the mandlebrot set. See here
Just remember to find the GLSL shader that goes with the source code.
About the GPU, examples are no help for me because I have absolutely
no idea about this topic, how does it even work and what kind of
calculations the GPU can do (or how is it even accessed?)
Different GPU software works differently however ...
Typically a programmer will write a program for the GPU in a shader language such as HLSL, GLSL or OpenCL. The program written in C# will load the shader code and compile it, and then use functions in an API to send a job to the GPU and get the result back afterwards.
Take a look at FX Composer or render monkey if you want some practice with shaders with out having to worry about APIs.
If you are using HLSL, the rendering pipeline looks like this.
The vertex shader is responsible for taking points in 3D space and calculating their position in your 2D viewing field. (Not a big concern for you since you are working in 2D)
The pixel shader is responsible for applying shader effects to the pixels after the vertex shader is done.
OpenCL is a different story, its geared towards general purpose GPU computing (ie: not just graphics). Its more powerful and can be used for GPUs, DSPs, and building super computers.

WRT coding for the GPU, you can look at Cudafy.Net (it does OpenCL too, which is not tied to NVidia) to start getting an understanding of what's going on and perhaps even do everything you need there. I've quickly found it - and my graphics card - unsuitable for my needs, but for the Mandelbrot at the stage you're at, it should be fine.
In brief: You code for the GPU with a flavour of C (Cuda C or OpenCL normally) then push the "kernel" (your compiled C method) to the GPU followed by any source data, and then invoke that "kernel", often with parameters to say what data to use - or perhaps a few parameters to tell it where to place the results in its memory.
When I've been doing fractal rendering myself, I've avoided drawing to a bitmap for the reasons already outlined and deferred the render phase. Besides that, I tend to write massively multithreaded code which is really bad for trying to access a bitmap. Instead, I write to a common store - most recently I've used a MemoryMappedFile (a builtin .Net class) since that gives me pretty decent random access speed and a huge addressable area. I also tend to write my results to a queue and have another thread deal with committing the data to storage; the compute times of each Mandelbrot pixel will be "ragged" - that is to say that they will not always take the same length of time. As a result, your pixel commit could be the bottleneck for very low iteration counts. Farming it out to another thread means your compute threads are never waiting for storage to complete.
I'm currently playing with the Buddhabrot visualisation of the Mandelbrot set, looking at using a GPU to scale out the rendering (since it's taking a very long time with the CPU) and having a huge result-set. I was thinking of targetting an 8 gigapixel image, but I've come to the realisation that I need to diverge from the constraints of pixels, and possibly away from floating point arithmetic due to precision issues. I'm also going to have to buy some new hardware so I can interact with the GPU differently - different compute jobs will finish at different times (as per my iteration count comment earlier) so I can't just fire batches of threads and wait for them all to complete without potentially wasting a lot of time waiting for one particularly high iteration count out of the whole batch.
Another point to make that I hardly ever see being made about the Mandelbrot Set is that it is symmetrical. You might be doing twice as much calculating as you need to.

For moving the processing to the GPU, you have lots of excellent examples here:
https://www.shadertoy.com/results?query=mandelbrot
Note that you need an WebGL capable browser to view that link. Works best in Chrome.
I'm no expert on fractals but you seem to have come far already with the optimizations. Going beyond that may make the code much harder to read and maintain so you should ask yourself it is worth it.
One technique I've often observed in other fractal programs is this: While zooming, calculate the fractal at a lower resolution and stretch it to full size during render. Then render at full resolution as soon as zooming stops.
Another suggestion is that when you use multiple threads you should take care that each thread don't read/write memory of other threads because this will cause cache collisions and hurt performance. One good algorithm could be split the work up in scanlines (instead of four quarters like you did now). Create a number of threads, then as long as there as lines left to process, assign a scanline to a thread that is available. Let each thread write the pixel data to a local piece of memory and copy this back to main bitmap after each line (to avoid cache collisions).

Is there an inexpensive way to transfer colour data from a RenderTarget2D on a per frame basis?

Until recently, our game checked collisions by getting the colour data from a section of the background texture of the scene. This worked very well, but as the design changed, we needed to check against multiple textures and it was decided to render these all to a single RenderTarget2D and check collisions on that.
public bool TouchingBlackPixel(GameObject p)
{
/*
Calculate rectangle under the player...
SourceX,SourceY: Position of top left corner of rectangle
SizeX,SizeY: Aproximated (cast to int from float) size of box
*/
Rectangle sourceRectangle = new Rectangle(sourceX, sourceY,
(int)sizeX, (int)sizeY);
Color[] retrievedColor = new Color[(int)(sizeX * sizeY)];
p.tileCurrentlyOn.collisionLayer.GetData(0, sourceRectangle, retrievedColor,
0, retrievedColor.Count());
/*
Check collisions
*/
}
The problem that we've been having is that, since moving to the render target, we are experiencing massive reductions in FPS.
From what we've read, it seems as if the issue is that in order to get data from the RenderTarget2D, you need to transfer data from the GPU to the CPU and that this is slow. This is compounded by us needing to run the same function twice (once for each player) and not being able to keep the same data (they may not be on the same tile).
We've tried moving the GetData calls to the tile's Draw function and storing the data in a member array, but this does not seem to have solved the problem (As we are still calling GetData on a tile quite regularly - down from twice every update to once every draw).
Any help which you could give us would be great as the power that this collision system affords us is quite fantastic, but the overhead which render targets have introduced will make it impossible to keep.

The simple answer is: Don't do that.
It sounds like offloading the compositing of your collision data to the GPU was a performance optimisation that didn't work - so the correct course of action would be to revert the change.
You should simply do your collision checks all on the CPU. And I would further suggest that it is probably faster to run your collision algorithm multiple times and determine a collision response by combining the results, rather than compositing the whole scene onto a single layer and running collision detection once.
This is particularly the case if you are using the render target to support transformations before doing collision.
(For simple 2D pixel collision detection, see this sample. If you need support for transformations, see this sample as well.)

I suppose, your tile's collision layer does not change. Or at least changes not very frequently. So you can store the colors for each tile in an array or other structure. This would decrease the amount of data that is transfered from the GPU to CPU, but requires that the additional data stored in the RAM is not too big.

(C#) XNA 4.0 StencilBuffer access

When I'm using StencilBuffer during drawing operations to render targets, is there any way I can see during debugging what the stencil buffer contains? I'm searching for hours now, and either I'm missing something totaly obvious, I can't find a way to look this table up.
There was a property DepthStencilBuffer in the GraphicsDevice in XNA 3.1, but it's not there anymore. Now we tell if we want to use stencil Buffer when we create Render Targets, yes, but how can I access the Stencil Buffer after that, so I can see if I have values in Stencil Buffer that I expect?
cheers
Lucas

I would leave a comment for this normally, but I don't have enough rep for it yet...
I would recommend reading through this page: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/shawnhar/archive/2010/03/26/rendertarget-changes-in-xna-game-studio-4-0.aspx
Shawn Hargreaves explains that the uses for Stencil Buffers are insignificant and can be done using other techniques that yield similar performance.
One of the quotes from that page:
Question:
For depth buffers, what about situation such as:
1) Depth pre pass + normalss to colour channel
2) other stuff... (eg AO)
3) render solid objects using depth buffer from before and a new render target. (also reads things like AO)
4) use depth buffer again for another pass(eg volume fog)
Answer:
The biggest restriction of the new API is that you cannot share a single depth buffer across multiple different rendertargets. However, it is usually possible to achieve this kind of rendering architecture (on Windows, anyway) just by arranging things so that any time you want to reuse the depth buffer, you are drawing to the same rendertarget.
For instance, the classic deferred shading optimization of using depth/stencil to cull light volumes is totally doable: you just need to arrange your buffer operations so that these light accumulation passes are done into the same rendertarget that was bound on index #0 during the initial scene rendering.

fastest method to capture game screen shots in c#?(more than20 images per second)

How can i make screenshoots to the entire game screen very fast? Somthing like 20-30 per second?(i want to convert them to video)
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I've tried WMEncoder.Results were that WMEncoder can capture the screen and regions of screen only in a video format (wma) using a set of preconfigured codecs. (29 fps best encode result).WMEncoder can not make screenshots.
[[2]]
I've tried DirectX :
Surface s = device.CreateOffscreenPlainSurface(
Screen.PrimaryScreen.Bounds.Width,
Screen.PrimaryScreen.Bounds.Height,
Format.A8R8G8B8, Pool.SystemMemory);
device.GetFrontBufferData(0, s);
SurfaceLoader.Save("c:\\Screenshot"+i.ToString()+".bmp", ImageFileFormat.Bmp, s);
This works like gdi ..very slow....and it works only in DirectX 1.0 because SurfaceLoader does not exist in directX 2.0
Another way that i've read in some post is using :
s = device.GetBackBuffer(0, 0, Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3D.BackBufferType.Mono);
, but this maks screenshots only to the curent window.
[[3]]
I've tried to use Taksi (at sourceforge.net)... but i don't know how to use it in c# and make it work.
Please help me out...

You really want to hook into directx so you can make the calls as if you were that game/application. Below are a few sites that do this (most draw extra things, but i don't see why you couldn't save the backbuffer every x frames):
http://www.gamedev.net/topic/359794-c-direct3d-hooking-sample/
Disclamer: I've not tried this, so not sure what FPS you can get, however i would think this is the fastest method as you're doing it effectively from within the game.