first time poster here!
I'm a Senior Computer Science Student and I'm currently developing a GUI that plays A board game (othello ) online using telnet.
the pseudo is something like this...
click button
update GUI
recieve telnet input
update GUI
rinse and repeat!
the problem is though, the only way i know how get the telnet function to go is by putting it inside the Click event handler, but the GUI won't update until the whole function is finished. Meaning it updates every two moves instead of one. Is there a way to tell C# ( which I'm new to) to call a new function immediatly after one has finished? specifically on a GUI.
any input is appreciated
Thanks
I'm not sure I understood correctly the problem, but the "receive telnet input" line makes me worry a lot.
Are you writing this application in a single thread without using any kind of asynchronous TCP/IP communication?
If the answer is yes, the error is in the architecture you are using.
You need asynchronous tcp/ip communication, for example, with another thread running in parallel, with asynchronous sockets or with asynchronous streams.
You cannot stop the GUI waiting for the network, it would be a bad architecture.
Try to read this simple but complete article on codeproject: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/socketsincs.aspx
Windows OS uses a thing called "message pump" to handle windows. Everything is a message that is processed by a single thread (your application thread).
Events are enqueued in the message queue.
If you stop the execution of the main thread for too long you are stopping the message queue from being processed, and this will stop user input and also painting, since rendering is also a windows message that can be enqueued.
You'll need to use threads. This way while one thread is still processing you can fire off a new thread. I think that's the only way you'll be able to simultaneously finish processing one task while starting up another at the same time.
Once the task is done processing you can join it back to main thread.
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Using System.Threading.Thread.Sleep( ) makes the entire application stop for the time taken in the arguments. I want other processes running while one process is waiting for a particular amount of time. To put it in short, I want another way other than System.Threading.Thread.Sleep( ) in my application that does not stop the entire thing.
Example: If I have a label that changes text every 5 seconds, I should be able to press a button which can do some other process, like changing an image.
Thread.Sleep() only puts the current thread to sleep. If it is the UI thread, this might block your application and it looks like it is completely blocked. Background threads are still running.
If you want to sleep without blocking, you could use the following code:
await Task.Delay(5000);
// continue here with your code, such as updating your label
This doesn't block the UI thread, just delays the proceeding of your function. You have to declare your method as async
I am not too informed about this so I am not sure this is the best way to do it
The Task.Wait Method
like that your main thread waits for the child thread to complete before continuing. From here on to your problem I guess just brains will help
an other helpful link:
Thread Synchronization
I have a large WPF app with few threads ( all threads use dispatcher.invoke to update the GUI) and many grids and controls. At any give time only 2 or three grids are visible so the user can interact with the controls. I also have an external device which sends a signal to my app and I then update the GUI so the user knows the signal was fired.
I do the update through a dispatcher since the signal detection is on another thread. So everything is fine until intermittently it takes 5 minutes for the dispatcher.invoke with normal priority to call my method. when this happens as soon as I click the GUI then method gets called immediately. So it seems that message pump is asleep or hung and as soon as I click on the GUI it wakes up and process my message. I have done this several times so I am sure that message queue wakes up upon refreshing the GUI.
So is this a bug in WPF message pump queue where it occasionally goes to sleep and wakes up when the GUI is refreshed? or what is the reason for this behavior and what to do about it.
Thanks in advance
I am developing an interface in my C# 4.0 winform application, to fire some sms in bulk. Each message content is different so that I have to fire messages one by one. I have a form from where the end user can shoot smss, it may be more than a thousand.
I want to manage a queue. If the user shoots a sms then it will be submitted to the queue and the queue will send sms one by one.
So I have to create a form to manage the queue. The problem is that I want my application to work normally and in the background the queue sends sms.
So how can I achieve this task? I have tried BackGroundWorker, but I don't know how to maintain a separate thread with a form.
All forms must be on the UI thread. The sending of the SMS should be performed by the BackgroundWorker.DoWork event. The updating of the form is then done by BackgroundWorker.RunWorkerCompleted event.
The UI thread is main thread of the application for SWF (winforms)
If you are using C# 4.0 or above, you may also want to investiage the Take Parallel Library (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd460717.aspx). But I would first get BackgroundWorker implementation to work. Then use TPL to send simultaneous SMS. Could really speed things up.
you have to create one thread (called worker thread) which runs for the life your application.
you have to have a queue or even better a concurrent queue http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd267265.aspx
the worker thread wait when an item (sms) appears in the queue, takes that item and do its work.
the UI is completely decoupled from that work.
this is most basic use of the class Thread.
Background worker is least suitable solution. obviously you can use a washing machines to build a house but most people use bricks.
You can start Thread then create new instance of form on it (with no parent) and then start message loop (such code located in Main method of project's template).
Remember, any form (generally any GDI object) can be used only on thread that creates it. E.g you can't create child form on another thread, then parent's. Every GUI thread must run message loop.
I’ve got a process which will take a little under 5 seconds to complete. The user will most likely notice the program flicker for a few seconds after pushing the “go” button.
My question is:
Is this something that would normally be dumped onto a background worker, or is there another .NET method for handling small tasks, or is this something that shouldn’t be a concern?
FYI:
The process opens a user specified excel file, processes an unknown number of lines (max 1.5 million due to excel I believe), and queries a database (very quick query). So at the worst case scenario the user uploads a 1.5 million row excel file and is running on a very slow internet connection.
If you don't want the user to be able to do anything while the file is being uploaded, then you don't need to put it on a different thread.
If you want the user to be able to go on to other tasks while the file is uploading, put it on a different thread.
As a general rule of thumb, if I have a situation where I absolutely don't want the user to do anything while a long-running process is going, I disable the controls on the form until the task is complete, and usually use a status indicator to show that progress is happening.
My personal guideline for whether or not to allow user interaction is if the results of a process could be altered by a user action in mid-stream.
For example, one program that we have parses a bunch of queries on a highly normalized database (normalized to the point where reporting is sloooow) into "reportable" tables, and I don't want the user altering data in one of the source tables while the query is running, because it will give goofy results.
If there is no harm in allowing user interaction while the process is occuring, then put it in another thread.
Edit
Actually, on reading #UrbanEsc and #archer's comments, I agree with them. Still put it on a different thread and freeze the controls (and include a progress indicator where possible).
I would push this to a background worker. Doing so will keep the UI responsive. If the process ever does lag for more than a few seconds, users start getting nervous ...especially when the lagging process causes the UI to be 'frozen'.
From a user experience point of view it might be best to hand the job over to a different thread or an asynchronous worker and tell the user that his request is being processed in the background. Once the worker finishes, a success/failure message can be handled and shown to the user as required.
The cheapest way to handle the problem is to turn the cursor into an hourglass during the processing. That tells user please wait, I'm busy.
According to the budget (time and/or effort) you're willing to throw in it, using a backgroundworker and some reporting GUI is certainly a plus. But it's up to you according to your app.
For example, I'm currently modifying an in-house app that has 3 users. In that case, the hourglass is OK: All 3 of them will quickly learn they just have to wait. Don't get me wrong: this app is damn important. Without it, the small company that uses it would just die. But if I ask them for 2 hours of extra budget for a nice and tested little GUI, background thread, blah vs an hourglass, what do you think they'll say?
On the other hand, if it's an important operation in your flagship product, of course be nice to your users! Don't hesitate: background thread. Especially if the operation may actually take much longer than those 5 seconds.
Conclusion: Be pragmatic!
I would put it into a background worker or fire of a task if you are in .NET 4.0, for example:
void OnButtonClick(...)
{
new TaskFactory().StartNew(() => { /* your excel and query code */ });
}
I'll vote for the background worker process, since a frozen UI is like a frozen application, and most of users will think your application isn't doing anything at all.
UI thread for a progress bar or some animation, info text noticing what's going on + background worker thread = win
I think every process not related with the UI itself should be started as a separate thred or, in this case, as a bg worker. This will help to maintain the app healthy and easy to improve/fix in the future.
Also, as a user or tester, I really hate flicking and freezing windows...
Regards.
A general rule of thumb is any operation that takes a second or longer to complete requires some form of feedback to the user. This can be a progress bar, message, etc. Anything longer then that then the user becomes frustrated (not sure if they did something wrong, hate waiting, etc).
For operations like this that can take longer based on the environment (number of apps, available memory, data size, hard drive speed, etc) they should ALWAYS be put on a background thread and pipe messages back to the UI. I love the BackGroundWorker for this.
I'm building a UI for a program, and I can't figure out why my progress bar won't become visible after the convert button is clicked.
private void convertButton_Click(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
toolStripProgressBar.Visible = true;
...
toolStripProgressBar.Visible = false;
}
I ran into a similar problem with tkinter in Python, and I had to call a function to update the idle tasks. Is there a way to do this with windows forms without using threads?
Edit: On a side note, this is a progress bar in a toolStrip that also contains a label that gets updated with status bar text. Is there any way to get the label on the left side and the progress bar on the other instead of right next to each other on the left?
Well, there is a way to do this without using threads (Application.DoEvents) but I strongly recommend against you using it. Re-entrancy is nasty, and you really don't want the UI thread tied up at all.
Use BackgroundWorker instead - it's easy, and it's pretty much designed for progress bars. It takes the hassle out of using a separate thread and reporting progress back to the UI thread. No need for Control.Invoke etc - it takes care of that for you.
There are lots of tutorials for BackgroundWorker - it shouldn't take you too long to get going with it.
Per the question you asked for the way to do this WITHOUT threads, that is to do it with Application.DoEvents();. (Just add that call right after setting the progress bar as visible.)
Now I do agree with Jon Skeet though that BackgroundWorker is a better way of doing this, but it does use a separate thread.
You need to execute your process in a thread separate from the UI thread, and then have it periodically report back to the UI thread with it's progress. If your convert operation is working inside the UI thread, it will simply go unresponsive until the operation is complete.
The progress bar can only become visible when it is allowed to paint which occurs during the processing of messages. Message processing cannot normally happen while you are in the middle of an event handler. If you want the progress bar to show up you will have to set the visiblitity to true, start a background thread to complete the work and return from the handler.
I'm guessing the problem is that the "..." in your code is a long-running process. UI updates are not instantaneous, but must run through the message queue in windows and then be painted to the screen. The queue is pumped and painting takes place in the same thread as your events.
As a result, any long-running tasks need to be moved to a different thread. More than that, your line line of code needs to called after that thread terminates. Otherwise you set the progress bar and then immediately turn it off again.
One way to do that is with a BackgroundWorker control.
Here go two links trying to explain you how things work:
(1) (2)
Now, I will try to explain it as shortly as I can. Most of what happens inside a windows forms application happens in a single thread, usually the same thread Main() runs in. If you open Program.cs, you will see that Main() has a line that looks like the following:
Application.Run(new Form1());
If you debug the application at any moment and examine the call stack, you will see it will trace back to that Run method. This means that a Windows Forms application is in fact a continuous run of the Run method. So, what is Run doing? Run is eating a message queue through which Windows sends messages to it. Run then dispatches those messages to the correct controls, which themselves do things like add text which corresponds to the key being pressed, redraw themselves, etc. Notice that all this happens during and endless loop running alongside a single thread, so weather you are typing or simply moving the window around, loads of those messages are being passed onto the application, which in turn is processing them and reacting accordingly, all in that single thread. Controls can also send messages to themselves through the queue and even you can place messages in the pump via Control.BeginInvoke. One of the things those controls do is to raise events according to what happens. So, if you click a button, the code you've written to handle that click will ultimately and indirectly be run by the Application.Run method.
Now, what is happening with your code is that even though you are changing the visible status of your progress bar to visible and then updating its Value, you are then changing its visibility to false, all in the same method. This means that only after you leave the method, will Application.Run() be able to continue iterating and consuming the message queue, effectively asking the progress bar to update its display. When that happens, you've already left the progress bar's visibility to false, the last thing you did before exiting the method. DoEvents() is a quick and dirty workaround to your problem as it reads the messages in the queue and processes them. I don't really feel comfortable using it as it can bring reentrancy problems.
Using threads is a good solution, but I would recommend using a ThreadPool thread instead of a custom thread in this kind of situation, as I tend to use custom threads only in cases where I have a limited number of long lived threads and I need to control their life cycles. The easiest and most practical way to use threads is to use the BackgroundWorker component, even though I would recommend going through the pains of understanding how to do Windows Forms multithreading with delegates if you want to really understand what is going on.
My solution is to call refresh on the status strip.
I believe this causes the UI thread to repaint the status strip.
toolStripStatusBar1.PerformStep();
statusStrip1.Refresh();
This is for .NET 4.0. Even though this question is old it was the first I found on googling this issue.