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What would be actual practical usages of the dynamic keyword?
dynamic a = 1;
a.Crash();
I know the case where it is more readable in XML chains, but, other than that, what is it good for?
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As a developer, you use the dynamic
keyword with variables expected to
contain objects of uncertain type such
as objects returned from a COM or DOM
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dynamically in C# 4.0 using the new
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It's particularly useful in COM interop scenarios, where you normally have to write a lot of interop plumbing code.
The most practical use i've found is dealing with COM interop scenarios. Many legacy COM components end up generating signatures that are unusable from managed code without a great deal of casting due to many items getting marshaled as object. It leads to code like the following.
IUser GetAUser() { ... }
IUser user = GetAUser();
IAddress address = (IAddress)user.GetAddress();
int zipCode = (int)address.GetZipCode();
This gets even worse with deeply nested hierarchies. While this code is type safe in the sense that it doesn't violate any CLR rules it's unsafe in the sense that the developer is depending on implementation details of the types in order to get the work done. It's really no safer than the dynamic equivalent.
dynamic GetAUser() { ... }
int zipCode = (int)GetAUser().GetAddress().GetZipCode();
The DLR(Dynamic Language Runtime) basically enables everyone to talk to everyone. That includes not just Python and Ruby, but Silverlight, Office/COM, and others.
As Chris mentioned it is very useful in COM interop scenarios.
Also, it is very useful on asp.net-mvc-3. You can have views with dynamic a model. You also have ViewBag object that can hold anything.
And another use is to hold a json object, if you implement a DynamicObject class. This is very useful when consuming APIs.
Using the dynamic keyword with POCOs can be extremely useful when you have several method overloads and you've received the the argument as an object. Cast the argument to dynamic and it will resolve the correct overload based on runtime type-- doing without dynamic ends up being a series of if/elseif statements, yuck.
Using the dynamic keyword with DynamicObjects subclasses allows you to get rid of boiler plate, write fluent api's more easily and create code that is by far more malleable. For example, here is a dynamic api that get rid of a ton of boilerplate code related to MVVM binding http://code.google.com/p/impromptu-interface/wiki/UsageMVVM
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I realize that it goes against the strongly typed nature of C#, but I find that when working with dynamic objects in the language, some of the more useful features typically found in JavaScript or PowerShell are simply not practical.
For example, the following C# code will fail at runtime and it's obvious why.
dynamic x = 1.0;
int y = x;
But that makes the dynamic features of C# pretty limited when dealing with loosely typed data such as that produced by JSON payloads or CSV where subtle variations in the representation can result in very different behavior at runtime.
What I'm looking for is something that will behave much like the VBA / VBScript era Variant type. I imagine it's possible to derive such a type from DynamicObject that would wrap primitive values like Int32, String, etc and perform the appropriate casts at runtime. I've done something similar with "null" values in dynamic contexts.
But is there anything like this already established? I've looked around GitHub or Codeplex to no avail but it's kind of a hard thing to search for. Before I get started on what I imagine is going to be quite a complicated class, I want to make sure I'm not wasting my time.
About the practicality of all of this
I should note that I resisted the concept of dynamic dispatch in C# for a long time because it was not intended to be a dynamic language. Quite honestly, I wish it wasn't added to the language at all, or at least restricted to COM interop scenarios.
But having said that, I am always curious about ways to "hack" language features in such a way to make them do things that they were never intended to do. Sometimes something useful comes out of it. For example, there have been plenty of examples of people using the IDisposable interface and using statement to do things that have nothing to do with releasing resources.
I doubt I would use this in production applications or anything that needed to be handed off to another developer.
The visual basic languages hide a lot of the glue, that just isn't the C# way. The Variant type has a raft of conversion functions, they are invoked automatically by the vb runtime. .NET has automatic conversion functions too, you just have to use them explicitly:
dynamic x = 1.0;
int y = Convert.Int32(x);
With the C# justification for having to write code like that because it is not a language that hides cost.
Having mostly worked with C#, I tend to think in terms of C# features which aren't available in Java. After working extensively with Java over the last year, I've started to discover Java features that I wish were in C#. Below is a list of the ones that I'm aware of. Can anyone think of other Java language features which a person with a C# background may not realize exists?
The articles http://www.25hoursaday.com/CsharpVsJava.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Java_and_C_Sharp give a very extensive list of differences between Java and C#, but I wonder whether I missed anything in the (very) long articles. I can also think of one feature (covariant return type) which I didn't see mentioned in either article.
Please limit answers to language or core library features which can't be effectively implemented by your own custom code or third party libraries.
Covariant return type - a method can be overridden by a method which returns a more specific type. Useful when implementing an interface or extending a class and you want an overriding method to return a type more specific to your class. This can be simulated using explicit interface implementation in C#, but there's no simple equivalent when overriding class methods.
Enums are classes - an enum is a full class in java, rather than a wrapper around a primitive like in .Net. Java allows you to define fields and methods on an enum.
Anonymous inner classes - define an anonymous class which implements a method. Although most of the use cases for this in Java are covered by delegates in .Net, there are some cases in which you really need to pass multiple callbacks as a group. It would be nice to have the choice of using an anonymous inner class.
Checked exceptions - I can see how this is useful in the context of common designs used with Java applications, but my experience with .Net has put me in a habit of using exceptions only for unrecoverable conditions. I.E. exceptions indicate a bug in the application and are only caught for the purpose of logging. I haven't quite come around to the idea of using exceptions for normal program flow.
strictfp - Ensures strict floating point arithmetic. I'm not sure what kind of applications would find this useful.
fields in interfaces - It's possible to declare fields in interfaces. I've never used this.
static imports - Allows one to use the static methods of a class without qualifying it with the class name. I just realized today that this feature exists. It sounds like a nice convenience.
Java has packages that reflect a hierarchy and filesystem layout, while in C# the assemblies are irrespective of the namespace hierarchy.
Octal literals! :D
int x = 0245; System.out.println(x);
165 is outputted. Fun :)
Java's generics allow type wildcards. For example, <T extends Object & Comparable<? super T>> T Collections.max(Collection<? extends T>) { ... } is not expressable in C#.
In C#, you cannot have a return statement in a finally block.
I don't know if you want this in your language, but I guess Type Erasure can be seen as a feature to some.
I think I have my brain halfway wrapped around the Dynamic Types concept in C# 4, but can't for the life of me figure out a scenario where I'd actually want to use it.
I'm sure there are many, but I'm just having trouble making the connection as to how I could engineer a solution that is better solved with dynamics as opposed to interfaces, dependency injection, etc.
So, what's a real-world application scenario where dynamic type usage is appropriate?
There are lots of cases where you are already using dynamic typing and dynamic binding today. You just don't realize it, because it is all hidden behind strings or System.Object, since until C# 4, the necessary support wasn't there.
One example is COM interop: COM is actually a semi-dynamic object system. When you do COM interop, a lot of methods actually return a dynamic object, but because C# didn't support them, they were returned as System.Object and you had to cast them yourself, possibly catching exceptions on the way.
Another example is interacting with dynamically typed (or even untyped) data, such as JSON, CSV, HTML, schemaless XML, schemaless web services, schemaless databases (which are, after all, the new hotness). Today, you use strings for those. An XML API would look like
var doc = new XmlDocument("/path/to/file.xml");
var baz = doc.GetElement("foo").GetElement("qux");
and so on. But how about:
dynamic doc = new XmlDocument("/path/to/file.xml");
var baz = doc.foo.qux;
Doesn't that look nice?
A third example is reflection. Today, invocation of a method via reflection is done by passing a string to InvokeMember (or whatever the thing is called). Wouldn't it be nicer to, you know, just invoke the damn thing?
Then, there is generation of dynamic data (basically the opposite of the second example). Here's an example how to generate some dynamic XML:
dynamic doc = new XmlBuilder();
doc.articles(id=42, type="List", () => {
article(() => {
number(42);
title("blahblubb");});});
This is not nearly as beautiful as the equivalent Ruby, but it is the best I could come up with at such short notice :-)
And last but certainly not least, integration with a dynamically typed language. Whether that is JavaScript in a Silverlight application, a custom rules engine embedded in your business app or a DLR instance that you host in your CAD program/IDE/text editor.
There's one example on MSDN:
Many COM methods allow for variation in argument types and return type by designating the types as object. This has necessitated explicit casting of the values to coordinate with strongly typed variables in C#. If you compile by using the /link (C# Compiler Options) option, the introduction of the dynamic type enables you to treat the occurrences of object in COM signatures as if they were of type dynamic, and thereby to avoid much of the casting.
Another example is if you have to interop with dynamic languages.
Also there are some occasions where you want to make some code generic but you can't because even though the objects implement the same method, they don't share a suitable base class or interface that declares the methods you need. An example of this is trying to make something generic with ints and short. It's a bit of a hack, but dynamic allows you to call the same methods on these different types, allowing more code reuse.
Update: A bit of searching on here found this related post.
From Walter Almeida's Blog: a scenario of use of the dynamic keyword in C# to enhance object orientation:
http://blog.walteralmeida.com/2010/05/using-the-dynamic-keyword-in-c-to-improve-objectorientation.html
Scott Watermasysk wrote an article about using dynamics for dictionary key-property mapping on the MongoDB C# driver.
http://simpable.com/code/mongodb-dynamics/
I think others have given some great answers so far so I just want to add this example by David Hanson. Hist post shows the most practical application I've found so far for dynamic types in C# where he uses them to create proxy objects. In this example he creates a proxy which allows raising of exceptions on WPF binding errors. I'm not sure if this could also be achieved in the case of WPF bindings by using CustomTypeDescriptors and property descriptor concepts in general but regardless I think the use of the new C# 4.0 dynamic type is a great demonstration of its capabilities.
Raising binding exceptions in WPF & Silverlight with .net 4.0 Dynamics
One other use that I can think of for Dynamic types is to create proxies that similarly can be plugged in as a DataContext in WPF or in other places where a generic object type is expected and reflection methods are normally used to interrogate the type. In these cases especially when building tests a dynamic type can be used which would then allow property accessors to be called and logged accordingly by the proxy object in a dynamic fashion without having to hardcode properties within a test-only class.
I read an interesting article about this (attached) by Scott Hanselman. He points out that as opposed to using object you can use dynamic to reference methods from older COM objects where the compiler doesn't know a method exists. I found the link useful.
Scott Hanselman - C#4 and the dynamic keyword
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For c# developers that are staring out to learn Java, are there any big underlying differences between the two languages that should be pointed out?
Maybe some people may assume things to be the same, but there are some import aspects that shouldn't be overlooked? (or you can really screw up!)
Maybe in terms of OOP constructs, the way GC works, references, deployment related, etc.
A few gotchas off the top of my head:
Java doesn't have custom value types (structs) so don't bother looking for them
Java enums are very different to the "named numbers" approach of C#; they're more OO. They can be used to great effect, if you're careful.
byte is signed in Java (unfortunately)
In C#, instance variable initializers run before the base class constructor does; in Java they run after it does (i.e. just before the constructor body in "this" class)
In C# methods are sealed by default. In Java they're virtual by default.
The default access modifier in C# is always "the most restrictive access available in the current context"; in Java it's "package" access. (It's worth reading up on the particular access modifiers in Java.)
Nested types in Java and C# work somewhat differently; in particular they have different access restrictions, and unless you declare the nested type to be static it will have an implicit reference to an instance of the containing class.
here is a very comprehensive comparison of the 2 languages:
http://www.25hoursaday.com/CsharpVsJava.html
Added: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Java_and_C_Sharp
I am surprised that no one has mentioned properties, something quite fundamental in C# but absent in Java. C# 3 and above has automatically implemented properties as well. In Java you have to use GetX/SetX type methods.
Another obvious difference is LINQ and lambda expressions in C# 3 absent in Java.
There are a few other simple but useful things missing from Java like verbatim strings (#""), operator overloading, iterators using yield and pre processor are missing in Java as well.
One of my personal favourites in C# is that namespace names don't have to follow the physical directory structure. I really like this flexibility.
There are a lot of differences, but these come to mind for me:
Lack of operator overloading in Java. Watch your instance.Equals(instance2) versus instance == instance2 (especially w/strings).
Get used to interfaces NOT being prefixed with an I. Often you see namespaces or classes suffixed with Impl instead.
Double checked locking doesn't work because of the Java memory model.
You can import static methods without prefixing them with the class name, which is very useful in certain cases (DSLs).
Switch statements in Java don't require a default, and you can't use strings as case labels (IIRC).
Java generics will anger you. Java generics don't exist at runtime (at least in 1.5), they're a compiler trick, which causes problems if you want to do reflection on the generic types.
.NET has reified generics; Java has erased generics.
The difference is this: if you have an ArrayList<String> object, in .NET, you can tell (at runtime) that the object has type ArrayList<String>, whereas in Java, at runtime, the object is of type ArrayList; the String part is lost. If you put in non-String objects into the ArrayList, the system can't enforce that, and you'll only know about it after you try to extract the item out, and the cast fails.
One thing I miss in C# from Java is the forced handling of checked exceptions. In C# is it far to common that one is unaware of the exceptions a method may throw and you're at the mercy of the documentation or testing to discover them. Not so in Java with checked exceptions.
Java has autoboxing for primitives rather than value types, so although System.Int32[] is an array of values in C#, Integer[] is an array of references to Integer objects, and as such not suitable for higher performance calculations.
No delegates or events - you have to use interfaces. Fortunately, you can create classes and interface implementations inline, so this isn't such a big deal
The built-in date/calendar functionality in Java is horrible compared to System.DateTime. There is a lot of info about this here: What's wrong with Java Date & Time API?
Some of these can be gotchas for a C# developer:
The Java Date class is mutable which can make returning and passing dates around dangerous.
Most of the java.util.Date constructors are deprecated. Simply instantiating a date is pretty verbose.
I have never gotten the java.util.Date class to interoperate well with web services. In most cases the dates on either side were wildly transformed into some other date & time.
Additionally, Java doesn't have all the same features that the GAC and strongly-named assemblies bring. Jar Hell is the term for what can go wrong when linking/referencing external libraries.
As far as packaging/deployment is concerned:
it can be difficult to package up web applications in an EAR/WAR format that actually install and run in several different application servers (Glassfish, Websphere, etc).
deploying your Java app as a Windows service takes a lot more effort than in C#. Most of the recommendations I got for this involved a non-free 3rd party library
application configuration isn't nearly as easy as including an app.config file in your project. There is a java.util.Properties class, but it isn't as robust and finding the right spot to drop your .properties file can be confusing
There are no delegates in Java. Therefore, aside from all the benefits that delegates bring to the table, events work differently too. Instead of just hooking up a method, you need to implement an interface and attach that instead.
One thing that jumps out b/c it's on my interview list is that there is no "new" keyword analogue in Java for method hiding and there fore no compiler warning "you should put new here". Accidental method hiding when you meant to override leads to bugs.
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Example, B derives from A (using C# syntax, Java behaves same way last I checked but does not emit compiler warning). Does A's foo get called, or B's foo? (A's gets called, probably surprising the dev who implemented B).
class A
{
public void foo() {code}
}
class B:A
{
public void foo() {code}
}
void SomeMethod()
{
A a = new B(); // variable's type is declared as A, but assigned to an object of B.
a.foo();
}
Java doesn't have LINQ and the documentation is hell. User interfaces in Java are a pain to develop, you lose all the good things Microsoft gave us (WPF, WCF, etc...) but get hard - to - use, hardly documented "APIs".
The most harrasing difference to me when I switch to java it's the string declaration.
in C# string (most of the time)
in Java String
It's pretty simple, but trust me, it makes you lose so much time when you have the habit to s not S !
The one issue I've run into so far when working with Java coming from C# is Exceptions and Errors are different.
For example you cannot catch an out of memory error using catch(Exception e).
See the following for more details:
why-is-java-lang-outofmemoryerror-java-heap-space-not-caught
It's been so long since I've been in Java but the things I noticed right off the bat in application development was C# event model, C# drag and drop vs using Layout Managers in Swing (if your doing App dev), and exception handling with Java making sure you catch an exception and C# not required.
In response to your very direct question in your title:
"C# developers learning Java, what are the biggest differences one may overlook?"
A: The fact that Java is considerably slower on Windows.
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I mostly use Java and generics are relatively new. I keep reading that Java made the wrong decision or that .NET has better implementations etc. etc.
So, what are the main differences between C++, C#, Java in generics? Pros/cons of each?
I'll add my voice to the noise and take a stab at making things clear:
C# Generics allow you to declare something like this.
List<Person> foo = new List<Person>();
and then the compiler will prevent you from putting things that aren't Person into the list.
Behind the scenes the C# compiler is just putting List<Person> into the .NET dll file, but at runtime the JIT compiler goes and builds a new set of code, as if you had written a special list class just for containing people - something like ListOfPerson.
The benefit of this is that it makes it really fast. There's no casting or any other stuff, and because the dll contains the information that this is a List of Person, other code that looks at it later on using reflection can tell that it contains Person objects (so you get intellisense and so on).
The downside of this is that old C# 1.0 and 1.1 code (before they added generics) doesn't understand these new List<something>, so you have to manually convert things back to plain old List to interoperate with them. This is not that big of a problem, because C# 2.0 binary code is not backwards compatible. The only time this will ever happen is if you're upgrading some old C# 1.0/1.1 code to C# 2.0
Java Generics allow you to declare something like this.
ArrayList<Person> foo = new ArrayList<Person>();
On the surface it looks the same, and it sort-of is. The compiler will also prevent you from putting things that aren't Person into the list.
The difference is what happens behind the scenes. Unlike C#, Java does not go and build a special ListOfPerson - it just uses the plain old ArrayList which has always been in Java. When you get things out of the array, the usual Person p = (Person)foo.get(1); casting-dance still has to be done. The compiler is saving you the key-presses, but the speed hit/casting is still incurred just like it always was.
When people mention "Type Erasure" this is what they're talking about. The compiler inserts the casts for you, and then 'erases' the fact that it's meant to be a list of Person not just Object
The benefit of this approach is that old code which doesn't understand generics doesn't have to care. It's still dealing with the same old ArrayList as it always has. This is more important in the java world because they wanted to support compiling code using Java 5 with generics, and having it run on old 1.4 or previous JVM's, which microsoft deliberately decided not to bother with.
The downside is the speed hit I mentioned previously, and also because there is no ListOfPerson pseudo-class or anything like that going into the .class files, code that looks at it later on (with reflection, or if you pull it out of another collection where it's been converted into Object or so on) can't tell in any way that it's meant to be a list containing only Person and not just any other array list.
C++ Templates allow you to declare something like this
std::list<Person>* foo = new std::list<Person>();
It looks like C# and Java generics, and it will do what you think it should do, but behind the scenes different things are happening.
It has the most in common with C# generics in that it builds special pseudo-classes rather than just throwing the type information away like java does, but it's a whole different kettle of fish.
Both C# and Java produce output which is designed for virtual machines. If you write some code which has a Person class in it, in both cases some information about a Person class will go into the .dll or .class file, and the JVM/CLR will do stuff with this.
C++ produces raw x86 binary code. Everything is not an object, and there's no underlying virtual machine which needs to know about a Person class. There's no boxing or unboxing, and functions don't have to belong to classes, or indeed anything.
Because of this, the C++ compiler places no restrictions on what you can do with templates - basically any code you could write manually, you can get templates to write for you.
The most obvious example is adding things:
In C# and Java, the generics system needs to know what methods are available for a class, and it needs to pass this down to the virtual machine. The only way to tell it this is by either hard-coding the actual class in, or using interfaces. For example:
string addNames<T>( T first, T second ) { return first.Name() + second.Name(); }
That code won't compile in C# or Java, because it doesn't know that the type T actually provides a method called Name(). You have to tell it - in C# like this:
interface IHasName{ string Name(); };
string addNames<T>( T first, T second ) where T : IHasName { .... }
And then you have to make sure the things you pass to addNames implement the IHasName interface and so on. The java syntax is different (<T extends IHasName>), but it suffers from the same problems.
The 'classic' case for this problem is trying to write a function which does this
string addNames<T>( T first, T second ) { return first + second; }
You can't actually write this code because there are no ways to declare an interface with the + method in it. You fail.
C++ suffers from none of these problems. The compiler doesn't care about passing types down to any VM's - if both your objects have a .Name() function, it will compile. If they don't, it won't. Simple.
So, there you have it :-)
C++ rarely uses the “generics” terminology. Instead, the word “templates” is used and is more accurate. Templates describes one technique to achieve a generic design.
C++ templates is very different from what both C# and Java implement for two main reasons. The first reason is that C++ templates don't only allow compile-time type arguments but also compile-time const-value arguments: templates can be given as integers or even function signatures. This means that you can do some quite funky stuff at compile time, e.g. calculations:
template <unsigned int N>
struct product {
static unsigned int const VALUE = N * product<N - 1>::VALUE;
};
template <>
struct product<1> {
static unsigned int const VALUE = 1;
};
// Usage:
unsigned int const p5 = product<5>::VALUE;
This code also uses the other distinguished feature of C++ templates, namely template specialization. The code defines one class template, product that has one value argument. It also defines a specialization for that template that is used whenever the argument evaluates to 1. This allows me to define a recursion over template definitions. I believe that this was first discovered by Andrei Alexandrescu.
Template specialization is important for C++ because it allows for structural differences in data structures. Templates as a whole is a means of unifying an interface across types. However, although this is desirable, all types cannot be treated equally inside the implementation. C++ templates takes this into account. This is very much the same difference that OOP makes between interface and implementation with the overriding of virtual methods.
C++ templates are essential for its algorithmic programming paradigm. For example, almost all algorithms for containers are defined as functions that accept the container type as a template type and treat them uniformly. Actually, that's not quite right: C++ doesn't work on containers but rather on ranges that are defined by two iterators, pointing to the beginning and behind the end of the container. Thus, the whole content is circumscribed by the iterators: begin <= elements < end.
Using iterators instead of containers is useful because it allows to operate on parts of a container instead of on the whole.
Another distinguishing feature of C++ is the possibility of partial specialization for class templates. This is somewhat related to pattern matching on arguments in Haskell and other functional languages. For example, let's consider a class that stores elements:
template <typename T>
class Store { … }; // (1)
This works for any element type. But let's say that we can store pointers more effciently than other types by applying some special trick. We can do this by partially specializing for all pointer types:
template <typename T>
class Store<T*> { … }; // (2)
Now, whenever we instance a container template for one type, the appropriate definition is used:
Store<int> x; // Uses (1)
Store<int*> y; // Uses (2)
Store<string**> z; // Uses (2), with T = string*.
Anders Hejlsberg himself described the differences here "Generics in C#, Java, and C++".
There are already a lot of good answers on what the differences are, so let me give a slightly different perspective and add the why.
As was already explained, the main difference is type erasure, i.e. the fact that the Java compiler erases the generic types and they don't end up in the generated bytecode. However, the question is: why would anyone do that? It doesn't make sense! Or does it?
Well, what's the alternative? If you don't implement generics in the language, where do you implement them? And the answer is: in the Virtual Machine. Which breaks backwards compatibility.
Type erasure, on the other hand, allows you to mix generic clients with non-generic libraries. In other words: code that was compiled on Java 5 can still be deployed to Java 1.4.
Microsoft, however, decided to break backwards compatibility for generics. That's why .NET Generics are "better" than Java Generics.
Of course, Sun aren't idiots or cowards. The reason why they "chickened out", was that Java was significantly older and more widespread than .NET when they introduced generics. (They were introduced roughly at the same time in both worlds.) Breaking backwards compatibility would have been a huge pain.
Put yet another way: in Java, Generics are a part of the Language (which means they apply only to Java, not to other languages), in .NET they are part of the Virtual Machine (which means they apply to all languages, not just C# and Visual Basic.NET).
Compare this with .NET features like LINQ, lambda expressions, local variable type inference, anonymous types and expression trees: these are all language features. That's why there are subtle differences between VB.NET and C#: if those features were part of the VM, they would be the same in all languages. But the CLR hasn't changed: it's still the same in .NET 3.5 SP1 as it was in .NET 2.0. You can compile a C# program that uses LINQ with the .NET 3.5 compiler and still run it on .NET 2.0, provided that you don't use any .NET 3.5 libraries. That would not work with generics and .NET 1.1, but it would work with Java and Java 1.4.
Follow-up to my previous posting.
Templates are one of the main reasons why C++ fails so abysmally at intellisense, regardless of the IDE used. Because of template specialization, the IDE can never be really sure if a given member exists or not. Consider:
template <typename T>
struct X {
void foo() { }
};
template <>
struct X<int> { };
typedef int my_int_type;
X<my_int_type> a;
a.|
Now, the cursor is at the indicated position and it's damn hard for the IDE to say at that point if, and what, members a has. For other languages the parsing would be straightforward but for C++, quite a bit of evaluation is needed beforehand.
It gets worse. What if my_int_type were defined inside a class template as well? Now its type would depend on another type argument. And here, even compilers fail.
template <typename T>
struct Y {
typedef T my_type;
};
X<Y<int>::my_type> b;
After a bit of thinking, a programmer would conclude that this code is the same as the above: Y<int>::my_type resolves to int, therefore b should be the same type as a, right?
Wrong. At the point where the compiler tries to resolve this statement, it doesn't actually know Y<int>::my_type yet! Therefore, it doesn't know that this is a type. It could be something else, e.g. a member function or a field. This might give rise to ambiguities (though not in the present case), therefore the compiler fails. We have to tell it explicitly that we refer to a type name:
X<typename Y<int>::my_type> b;
Now, the code compiles. To see how ambiguities arise from this situation, consider the following code:
Y<int>::my_type(123);
This code statement is perfectly valid and tells C++ to execute the function call to Y<int>::my_type. However, if my_type is not a function but rather a type, this statement would still be valid and perform a special cast (the function-style cast) which is often a constructor invocation. The compiler can't tell which we mean so we have to disambiguate here.
Both Java and C# introduced generics after their first language release. However, there are differences in how the core libraries changed when generics was introduced. C#'s generics are not just compiler magic and so it was not possible to generify existing library classes without breaking backwards compatibility.
For example, in Java the existing Collections Framework was completely genericised. Java does not have both a generic and legacy non-generic version of the collections classes. In some ways this is much cleaner - if you need to use a collection in C# there is really very little reason to go with the non-generic version, but those legacy classes remain in place, cluttering up the landscape.
Another notable difference is the Enum classes in Java and C#. Java's Enum has this somewhat tortuous looking definition:
// java.lang.Enum Definition in Java
public abstract class Enum<E extends Enum<E>> implements Comparable<E>, Serializable {
(see Angelika Langer's very clear explanation of exactly why this is so. Essentially, this means Java can give type safe access from a string to its Enum value:
// Parsing String to Enum in Java
Colour colour = Colour.valueOf("RED");
Compare this to C#'s version:
// Parsing String to Enum in C#
Colour colour = (Colour)Enum.Parse(typeof(Colour), "RED");
As Enum already existed in C# before generics was introduced to the language, the definition could not change without breaking existing code. So, like collections, it remains in the core libraries in this legacy state.
11 months late, but I think this question is ready for some Java Wildcard stuff.
This is a syntactical feature of Java. Suppose you have a method:
public <T> void Foo(Collection<T> thing)
And suppose you don't need to refer to the type T in the method body. You're declaring a name T and then only using it once, so why should you have to think of a name for it? Instead, you can write:
public void Foo(Collection<?> thing)
The question-mark asks the the compiler to pretend that you declared a normal named type parameter that only needs to appear once in that spot.
There's nothing you can do with wildcards that you can't also do with a named type parameter (which is how these things are always done in C++ and C#).
Wikipedia has great write-ups comparing both Java/C# generics and Java generics/C++ templates. The main article on Generics seems a bit cluttered but it does have some good info in it.
The biggest complaint is type erasure. In that, generics are not enforced at runtime. Here's a link to some Sun docs on the subject.
Generics are implemented by type
erasure: generic type information is
present only at compile time, after
which it is erased by the compiler.
C++ templates are actually much more powerful than their C# and Java counterparts as they are evaluated at compile time and support specialization. This allows for Template Meta-Programming and makes the C++ compiler equivalent to a Turing machine (i.e. during the compilation process you can compute anything that is computable with a Turing machine).
In Java, generics are compiler level only, so you get:
a = new ArrayList<String>()
a.getClass() => ArrayList
Note that the type of 'a' is an array list, not a list of strings. So the type of a list of bananas would equal() a list of monkeys.
So to speak.
Looks like, among other very interesting proposals, there is one about refining generics and breaking backwards compatibility:
Currently, generics are implemented
using erasure, which means that the
generic type information is not
available at runtime, which makes some
kind of code hard to write. Generics
were implemented this way to support
backwards compatibility with older
non-generic code. Reified generics
would make the generic type
information available at runtime,
which would break legacy non-generic
code. However, Neal Gafter has
proposed making types reifiable only
if specified, so as to not break
backward compatibility.
at Alex Miller's article about Java 7 Proposals
NB: I don't have enough point to comment, so feel free to move this as a comment to appropriate answer.
Contrary to popular believe, which I never understand where it came from, .net implemented true generics without breaking backward compatibility, and they spent explicit effort for that.
You don't have to change your non-generic .net 1.0 code into generics just to be used in .net 2.0. Both the generic and non-generic lists are still available in .Net framework 2.0 even until 4.0, exactly for nothing else but backward compatibility reason. Therefore old codes that still used non-generic ArrayList will still work, and use the same ArrayList class as before.
Backward code compatibility is always maintained since 1.0 till now... So even in .net 4.0, you still have to option to use any non-generics class from 1.0 BCL if you choose to do so.
So I don't think java has to break backward compatibility to support true generics.