I heard there is limitation when using waitall on multiple threads (# of threads to wait?). Can anyone give details?
I think the restriction you are referring to is not on the number of threads; it is on the number of handles being waited on. From the MSDN page for WaitHandle.WaitAll(WaitHandle[]):
On some implementations, if more than
64 handles are passed, a
NotSupportedException is thrown.
On the rare occasion that this issue has cropped, I have normally worked around it with:
WaitHandle[] handles = ...
foreach(var waitHandle in handles)
waitHandle.WaitOne();
For completeness, the other restrictions appear to be:
If the array contains duplicates, the
call fails with a
DuplicateWaitObjectException.
The WaitAll method is not supported on
threads that have STAThreadAttribute.
Are you thinking of the STA (single-threaded apartment) limitation of a winform app?
If so, I handle this by simply checking if the 'work queue' is empty after each thread has done it's processing, and calling .WaitOne() on a single ManualResetEvent object that the main thread owns instead of using .WaitAll() at all.
Like this:
moSolverEvent = new ManualResetEvent(false);
ProcessResult(new SolverWorkInProgress());
//Wait here until the last background thread reports in
moSolverEvent.WaitOne();
And then the worker threads are doing this:
if (mhSolverWorkQueue.Count == 0) moSolverEvent.Set();
It works spectacularly well, and avoids any issues with WaitAll(), even in a WinForms app. After all, you're not really waiting for the threads to be done... you're waiting for the WORK to be done. :-)
Just be sure to do the appropriate locking on each of these objects so your threads don't step all over each other.
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Basically I'm working on this beat detection algorithm, the strange thing i am encountering right now is that when i split the work load on to another thread. So now i have one main thread and another worker thread. My worker thread somehow is always working faster than the main thread. It seems strange because what i have learned is that the main thread should theoretically always be faster because it is not taking time to initialise the thread. However what i get is even i pass a extra 1024 samples to the worker thread( they are both working with around 30 million samples currently) it is still faster than the main thread. Is it because i have applications running on my main thread? I'm really confused right now. here is the code
UnityEngine.Debug.Log ("T800 Start");
Step3 s1= new Step3();
Step3WOMT s2= new Step3WOMT();
System.Object tempObj= samples2 as System.Object;
float[] tempArray = new float[eS.Length/ 2];
System.Threading.ParameterizedThreadStart parameterizedts = new System.Threading.ParameterizedThreadStart(s1.DoStep3);
System.Threading.Thread T1 = new System.Threading.Thread(parameterizedts);
T1.Start (tempObj);
s2.DoStep3(samples1);
UnityEngine.Debug.Log ("s2");
//UnityEngine.Debug.Log (stopwatch.ElapsedMilliseconds);
T1.Join();
Don't worry I'm only using c# features in the multithread so I believe it should be fine. What i am really confused about is that if i comment out the T1.join(); line the whole thing somehow go even slower. Im genuinely confused right now as there seems no reasonable answer to this question.
T1.join() does all the magic. It allow main thread to wait till all the worker threads are complete. Is that necessary ? depends on ur application. it is expected for a main thread to wait for the end of execution of its worker threads.
Your system must have multiple cores.
It's possible that Thread.Start can return not immediately after the thread is initialized. Anyway you should use ThreadPool.EnqueueUserWorkItem and ManualResetEvent to wait instead of join.
To see real results your samples count must be big enough so that thread initialization time is minimal compared to the execution time of your code. ThreadPool often doesn't have to initialize a new thread but it still takes some time to launch your code. I think you should not use multithreading for tasks which takes <~50ms.
If you compare the execution time for big samples count (takes few seconds) you'll see that there is no difference in the performance of the main thread and the background one (unless the main thread have higher priority).
Problem:
I am trying to throw 6 threads from ThreadPool to work on individual tasks. Each task's ManualResetEvent is stored in a array of manual reset event. Number of thread corresponds to the index in the ManualResetEvent Array.
Now what happens is that once I have initiated these 6 threads I move out and wait for the threads to complete. Waiting for the thread is done in the main thread.
Now some times what happens is that my waiting logic doesn't return even after a long time (2 days that I have seen). Here is the code sample for thread wait logic
foreach (ManualResetEvent whandle in eventList)
{
try
{
whandle.WaitOne();
}
catch (Exception) { }
}
As per documentation of .WaitOne. It is sync call which makes the thread to not return if Set event is not received from the thread.
Sometimes my threads have less amount of work and they may even return before I reach the Wait logic. Is it possible that .WaitOne() will wait for the Set() event even if it was received in the past?
Is this a correct logic to wait for the all the threads to close?
I'm not directly answering this question. Here is what you should do:
Start tasks using Task.Factory.StartNew and use Task.WaitAll(Task[]) to wait for them. You do not have to deal with events that way. Exceptions will nicely propagate to the "forking" thread. You don't need the old ThreadPool API anymore.
Hope this helps.
(Note: I think your best bet is Parallel.Invoke() - see later in this answer.)
What you are doing will normally work fine, so the problem is likely to be that one of your threads is blocking for some reason.
You should be able to debug this readily enough - you can attach the debugger and break into the program and then look at the call stack to see which thread(s) are blocked. Be prepared for some head-scratching if you discover a race condition though!
Another thing to be aware of that you can't do the following:
myEvent.Set();
myEvent.Reset();
with nothing (or very little) between the .Set() and the .Reset(). If you do that when several threads are waiting on myEvent, some of them will miss the event being set! (This effect is not well documented on MSDN.)
By the way, you shouldn't ignore exceptions - always log them in some way, at the very least.
(This section doesn't answer the question, but it may provide some helpful information)
I also want to mention an alternative way to wait for the threads. Since you have a set of ManualResetEvents, you can copy them to a plain array and pass it to WaitHandle.WaitAll().
Your code could look a little like this:
WaitHandle.WaitAll(eventList.ToArray());
Another approach to waiting for all threads to finish is to use a CountdownEvent. It becomes signalled when a countdown reaches zero; you start the count at the number of threads, and each thread signals it when it exits. There's an example here.
Parallel.Invoke()
If your threads do not return values, and all you want to to is to launch them and then have the launching thread wait for them to exit, then I think Parallel.Invoke() will be the best way of all. It avoids you having to handle the synchronization yourself.
(Otherwise, as svick says in the comments above, use Task rather than the old thread classes.)
In my C#/.NET 3.5 program I am using Threadpool threads ( delegate+BeginInvoke/EndInvoke) to parallelize and speed up some file loading. SystemInternals tool ProcessExplorer shows that number of threads in process is increasing over time, while I would expect to stay the same. Looks like some Threads/Threads handles stay hanging around for no reason.
Interestingly enough, I can not find pattern how threads grow and seems that happen sporadically, without repeatable pattern each time I start application. I spend some time analyzing and here are some observations:
1) code looks like this:
ArrayList IAsyncResult_s = new ArrayList();
AsyncProcessing thread1 = processRasterLayer;
... ArrayList filesToRender....
foreach (string FileName in filesToRender)
{
string fileName2 = FileName;
GeoImage partialImage1;
IAsyncResult asyncResult = thread1.BeginInvoke(
fileName2, .....,
out partialImage1, ..., null, null);
IAsyncResult_s.Add(asyncResult);
asyncResult = null;
}
.................
//block and render all
foreach (IAsyncResult asyncResult in IAsyncResult_s)
{
GeoImage partialImage1;
thread1.EndInvoke(
out partialImage1, , asyncResult);
//render image.. some calls to render partial image here
partialImage1.Dispose();
partialImage1 = null;
}
IAsyncResult_s.Clear();
IAsyncResult_s = null;
thread1 = null;
2) Number of Process Threads
My trace shows that during execution inside loop, ThreadPool.GetAvailableThreads(out workerThreads, out completionPortThreads); gives numbers like 493, 1000.
At the end of loops , , ThreadPool.GetAvailableThreads(out workerThreads, out completionPortThreads); gives numbers 500, 1000. So, number of available thread returns to same
Number of process threads reported by SystemInternals ProcessExplorer and API System.Diagnostics.Process.GetCurrentProcess().Threads.Count is the 16 before loops, and around 21 after loops.
If I call againg those loops, number of threads in process grows, but not by fixed nubmer each time, but grows 1-4 each time I repeat above code, so grows like 16->21->22->26->31...
3)Forced garbage collection didn’t htelp
I tried to froce garbage collection to get rid of those extra threads, but that didn’t removed them from process.
4)Profling tools
I was using RedGates Memory and Performace profilers, but hasen’t found obvious reason. I saw several extra threas and their object (ThreadContext etc) hanging, but saw no object holding those threads in memory. I am prety sure those extra threads were involved into loops work above, since I added thread name inside calls, and they still have that name I gave them.
5) Intelitrace
Intelitrace debuging showed also extra threads hanging. They still have names I gave them. But interestingly, it also showed that same thread that is hanging now, was used by above loop in the past, but also same thread was executing some timer related evens from timers form my code.
6) Locating issue
So, When I disable above loops that process filse Asynchroniously, and load files sequentialy, I do not have extra threads, and number of threads in my application is constant and and around 16.
7) Regarding SetMaxThreads :Here how it looks on my machine (XP, .NET 3.5):
Code like this:
ThreadPool.GetAvailableThreads(out AvailableWorkerThreads, out AvailableCompletionPortThreads);
ThreadPool.GetMaxThreads(out MaxWorkerThreads, out MaxCompletionPortThreads);
ThreadPool.GetMinThreads(out MinWorkerThreads, out MinCompletionPortThreads);
Gives result:
MinWorkerThreads:2 MaxWorkerThreads:500 MinCompletionPortThreads:2 MaxCompletionPortThreads:1000 AvailableWorkerThreads:500 AvailableCompletionPortThreads:1000
My app is using maybe 8 worker threads at the same time. I see no problem with SetMaxThreads.
8)
Functionally, I have no problems so far with this solution above. But somehow, if tools report that number of threads in my app is growing, it looks like “resource leak” of some kind, and I would like to address it. It looks like some thread handles are hanging around for no reason.
9) Here is one interesting article. It sasy that thread resources are cleaned once EndInvoke is called. I am doing so in my code. Article sasy: ..”. Because EndInvoke cleans up after the spawned thread, you must make sure that an EndInvoke is called for each BeginInvoke.” “If the thread pool thread has exited, EndInvoke does the following: It cleans up the exited thread's loose ends and disposes of its resources.” See: http://en.csharp-online.net/Asynchronous_Programming%E2%80%94BeginInvoke_EndInvoke
10) Another interesting article. Author says he had thread handle leaks because he was creating controls from non-gui thread. It is pretty elaborate article, see: http://msmvps.com/blogs/senthil/archive/2008/05/29/the-case-of-the-leaking-thread-handles.aspx
11) Another interesting article. It talks about ThreadPool.SetMinThreads property. It seems that it is not ThreadPool.SetMaxThreads but ThreadPool.SetMinThreads that enables useful control over ThradPool. This article is an eye-opener for me, and made me think about how ThreadPool works and performance problems it might cause. Article is: http_://www.dotnetperls.com/threadpool-setminthreads . Anoter similar one is : http_://www.codeproject.com/Articles/3813/NET-s-ThreadPool-Class-Behind-The-Scenes
12) Another interesting article. It is talking about throttling issue with ThreadPool. Article mentions ThreadPool limit of 2 new threads per second increase. See http_://social. msdn. microsoft. com/forums/en-US/clr/thread/3325cb32-371b-4f3e-965f-6ca88538dc3e/
13) So, in maybe 30 tests I saw only 2 times that number of threads allocated would shrink. But, it did happen. I saw once thread number going like 16->....->31->61-> ->30->16. So, it went back to 16. It doesn’t happen often, and it is not about time waited, it was like big activity in process, followed by a period of constant low level activity.
14) ThreadPool.SetMinThreads Method documentation. It talks about 2 new threads per second limit for threadpool. It is not clear if setting this property would remove that limit. http_://msdn.microsoft. com/en-ca/library/system. threading.threadpool.setminthreads(v=vs.90).aspx
So the answer is: there's no leak here. This is how the thread pool works. It keeps around threads that finished working so you don't have to pay the price of thread creation next time you need one. If you have many concurrent work items then the number of threads in the pool will increase but they'll max out at MaxWorkerThreads. (And it has nothing to do with the garbage collector.)
See this article for more info:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/0ka9477y.aspx
i would consider a consumer producer pattern. the idea behind a threadpool is to recycle threads, not create hundreds of new. in best case you have for each cpu one thread, and queue the work. this will be sure faster as you avoid useless context switches and waits for creating new threads, as far as i remember the net threadpool waits about one second until a new thread is created, to give other threads a chance to get recycled.
I'm trying to obtain a good understanding of multi-threading in C# and I'm a bit confused about the applicability of the Thread.Join method. Microsoft says that it "Blocks the calling thread until a thread terminates." Two questions:
Given the following example, which thread is actually blocked while the other is working toward termination?
Doesn't the fact that one thread is blocked while the other is executing toward termination actually defeat the purpose of multi-threads? (So I assume you only want to join in certain situations. What might those be?)
static int Main()
{
Alpha oAlpha = new Alpha();
Thread oThread = new Thread(new ThreadStart(oAlpha.Beta));
oThread.Start();
oThread.Join();
}
I should also note that it is wholly possible that I'm not doing something correct here.
Main is blocked until oThread Completes.
The idea is that you can terminate on thread cleanly and wait for it to clean up after itself, rather than killing the thread sloppily.
It is also useful for starting a batch of three or four independent processes, and then continuing once ALL of them complete.
the thread that is running the Main() method blocks.
Threads often need to synchronize, for instance, if you didn't want your main method to exit until all the work was done. In your example, there's no benefit, but you could insert useful work in between the Start() and Join() calls. This is particularly useful if you spin off multiple threads and then join them all.
If I have Thread A which is the main Application Thread and a secondary Thread. How can I check if a function is being called within Thread B?
Basically I am trying to implement the following code snippit:
public void ensureRunningOnCorrectThread()
{
if( function is being called within ThreadB )
{
performIO()
}
else
{
// call performIO so that it is called (invoked?) on ThreadB
}
}
Is there a way to perform this functionality within C# or is there a better way of looking at the problem?
EDIT 1
I have noticed the following within the MSDN documentation, although Im a dit dubious as to whether or not its a good thing to be doing! :
// if function is being called within ThreadB
if( System.Threading.Thread.CurrentThread.Equals(ThreadB) )
{
}
EDIT 2
I realise that Im looking at this problem in the wrong way (thanks to the answers below who helped me see this) all I care about is that the IO does not happen on ThreadA. This means that it could happen on ThreadB or indeed anyother Thread e.g. a BackgroundWorker. I have decided that creating a new BackgroundWorker within the else portion of the above f statement ensures that the IO is performed in a non-blocking fashion. Im not entirely sure that this is the best solution to my problem, however it appears to work!
Here's one way to do it:
if (System.Threading.Thread.CurrentThread.ManagedThreadId == ThreadB.ManagedThreadId)
...
I don't know enough about .NET's Thread class implementation to know if the comparison above is equivalent to Equals() or not, but in absence of this knowledge, comparing the IDs is a safe bet.
There may be a better (where better = easier, faster, etc.) way to accomplish what you're trying to do, depending on a few things like:
what kind of app (ASP.NET, WinForms, console, etc.) are you building?
why do you want to enforce I/O on only one thread?
what kind of I/O is this? (e.g. writes to one file? network I/O constrained to one socket? etc.)
what are your performance constraints relative to cost of locking, number of concurrent worker threads, etc?
whether the "else" clause in your code needs to be blocking, fire-and-forget, or something more sophisticated
how you want to deal with timeouts, deadlocks, etc.
Adding this info to your question would be helpful, although if yours is a WinForms app and you're talking about user-facing GUI I/O, you can skip the other questions since the scenario is obvious.
Keep in mind that // call performIO so that it is called (invoked?) on ThreadB implementation will vary depending on whether this is WinForms, ASP.NET, console, etc.
If WinForms, check out this CodeProject post for a cool way to handle it. Also see MSDN for how this is usually handled using InvokeRequired.
If Console or generalized server app (no GUI), you'll need to figure out how to let the main thread know that it has work waiting-- and you may want to consider an alternate implementation which has a I/O worker thread or thread pool which just sits around executing queued I/O requests that you queue to it. Or you might want to consider synchronizing your I/O requests (easier) instead of marshalling calls over to one thread (harder).
If ASP.NET, you're probably implementing this in the wrong way. It's usually more effective to use ASP.NET async pages and/or to (per above) synchronize snchronizing to your I/O using lock{} or another synchronization method.
What you are trying to do is the opposite of what the InvokeRequired property of a windows form control does, so if it's a window form application, you could just use the property of your main form:
if (InvokeRequired) {
// running in a separate thread
} else {
// running in the main thread, so needs to send the task to the worker thread
}
The else part of your snippet, Invoking PerformIO on ThreadB is only going to work when ThreadB is the Main thread running a Messageloop.
So maybe you should rethink what you are doing here, it is not a normal construction.
Does your secondary thread do anything else besides the performIO() function? If not, then an easy way to do this is to use a System.Threading.ManualResetEvent. Have the secondary thread sit in a while loop waiting for the event to be set. When the event is signaled, the secondary thread can perform the I/O processing. To signal the event, have the main thread call the Set() method of the event object.
using System.Threading;
static void Main(string[] args)
{
ManualResetEvent processEvent = new ManualResetEvent(false);
Thread thread = new Thread(delegate() {
while (processEvent.WaitOne()) {
performIO();
processEvent.Reset(); // reset for next pass...
}
});
thread.Name = "I/O Processing Thread"; // name the thread
thread.Start();
// Do GUI stuff...
// When time to perform the IO processing, signal the event.
processEvent.Set();
}
Also, as an aside, get into the habit of naming any System.Threading.Thread objects as they are created. When you create the secondary thread, set the thread name via the Name property. This will help you when looking at the Threads window in Debug sessions, and it also allows you to print the thread name to the console or the Output window if the thread identity is ever in doubt.