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CRM 2011, Date in plugin and DST

I have one issue which I resolved by myself but yet need some confirming words whether I am 100% correct on my thought, just because there is not any documentation I found to prove myself correct.
My server is in DST time currently, CRM UI is also showing 1 hour up then data stored in db. that's fine.
When I calculate and store date with plugin, after my plugin update operation finishes, CRM platform deducts 1 hour from data I saved. I have read that when we do some operation via SDK related date time, CRM stores date time as it is. is it the case that when time is in DST, platform also get involves to deduct 1 hour by then ?
As a resolution, I have commented out my line of deducting 1 hour and letting CRM to do it now.
Am I correct on my understanding or it would be appreciable if some one can provide any documentation URL.

Any time you're working in the SDK, DateTimes are retrieved and stored as UTC. The CRM web platform will convert the UTC time into the user's time. You shouldn't need to be doing any Conversions of time, just using UTC.
Let's assume your local time is UTC -1 (with DST since UTC doesn't observe it). So if UTC is 14:00, your local time is 13:00.
Let's also assume your plugin in going to populate a date attribute on the entity that is for the current time, tomorrow. If your code looks like this:
entity.new_SomeDate = DateTime.Now.AddDays(1);
service.Update(entity);
Assuming DateTime.Now is 13:00, it'll store 13:00 in the database (as if it was UTC). Then when you go to look at the time value from the CRM website, since you're UTC - 1 it'll display 12:00, even though you wanted 13:00.
Now if your code looks like this:
entity.new_SomeDate = DateTime.UtcNow.AddDays(1);
service.Update(entity);
Assuming DateTime.Now is 13:00, it'll store 14:00 in the database since DateTime.UtcNow is 14:00. Then when you go to look at the time value from the CRM website, since you're UTC - 1 it'll display 13:00, since it'll take the UTC value - 1.
Now if your code looks like this:
entity.new_SomeDate = entity.new_UserEnteredDateFromCrm.AddDays(1);
service.Update(entity);
The new_UserEnteredDateFromCrm will already have been converted from the users' Time Zone to UTC and it'll work as expected.
This makes DateTimes that you would prefer to store as Dates very difficult though (birthdays anyone?) and you may have to think through it a little more in depth.

I've figured it out myself. that date has component in it which explores what kind of date time is it in. it can be either Utc, Local or Unspecified.
when you pass any date to CRM attribute via code. make sure that date time kind is Utc, otherwise CRM service internal operation will convert it to be into Utc.
In my case, I was stucked to this because when I read date from CRM, I had to set office start in that date. e.g. I needed to make 03/02/2014 12:00 to 03/02/2014 8:30 to make incoming date aligned with office start time. I was doing operation like,
DateTime InDate = Case.CreatedOn.Value;
DateTime Dt = new DateTime(InDate.Year,InDate.Month,InDate.Day,8,30,0)
Having InDate in Utc Time, I was creating new date object so it lost DateTime kind from Utc to Local ( having in DST it signifies to be 1 hour up)
to avoid, always set DateTime kind to be exactly as provided In date to new object. e.g. above operation can be done alternatively like.
DateTime InDate = Case.CreatedOn.Value;
DateTime Dt = new DateTime(InDate.Year,InDate.Month,InDate.Day,8,30,0)
Dt = DateTime.SpecifyKind(Dt,DateTimeKind.Utc)
Hope that Helps.

Comparing time regardless of date

I have an object that has properties currently as DateTime.
The object is marked as valid within a time frame. The default being 00:00:00 to 23:59:59
The user enters the value in the UI and the property is set via:
new DateTime(DateTime.Now.Year,
DateTime.Now.Month,
DateTime.Now.Day,
model.Hours,
model.Minutes,
model.Seconds)
This is then converted to UTC when it hits the database.
Today's date is 29th August 2013. If a colleague in India runs this program it will store the data in the database as 28th August 2013 18:30:00 as they are 5.5 hours ahead of UTC so 29th August 2013 00:00:00 becomes yesterday.
When the logic tries to determine if the object is valid the logic is:
if (DateTime.UtcNow.TimeOfDay > model.MyPropertyFromDB.TimeOfDay)
We are trying to determine if the current time is within a range of 00:00:00 and 23:59:59
This fails as 14:00 (current time) is not greater than 18:30
What would be the best approach to compare just times?
Would storing the values as DateTimeOffSet help, is using ToLocal() ok?
Other considerations are that a user in India is using the app which is hosted in the UK so it needs to be timezone aware.
Thanks

Like others, I'm still unclear on exactly what you are wanting. But clearly, you shouldn't do this:
new DateTime(DateTime.Now.Year,
DateTime.Now.Month,
DateTime.Now.Day,
model.Hours,
model.Minutes,
model.Seconds)
That would be much better as:
DateTime.Today.Add(new TimeSpan(model.Hours, model.Minutes, model.Seconds))
But why are you doing this to begin with? Either of these would give you back the local date. I assume this is going to run on a server, so do you really want the time zone of the server to influence this result? Probably not. Please read: The Case Against DateTime.Now.
If you wanted the UTC date, you could do this:
DateTime.UtcNow.Date.Add(new TimeSpan(model.Hours, model.Minutes, model.Seconds))
That would at least be universally the same regardless of your server's time zone. But still, I don't think this is what you are after.
What's not clear is why is the user only entering the time while you are assigning the current date. If the date is relevant, then shouldn't the user enter it and it would be part of your model?
If the date is not relevant, then why are you storing it? You can use a TimeSpan type for the time value internally. You didn't say what your database is, but let's just guess that it is SQL Server, in which case you could use the time type on the field in the table.
I suppose it's possible that the date is relevant, but you want to control it, while the user takes control of providing the time. If that's the case, then you must know the time zone of the user (or the time zone of whatever the context is if it's not the user). Assuming you had a Windows time zone identifier (see the timezone tag wiki), then you could do something like this:
var tz = TimeZoneInfo.FindSystemTimeZoneById(theTimeZoneId);
var local = TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTimeFromUtc(DateTime.UtcNow, tz);
var dt = local.Date.Add(new TimeSpan(model.Hours, model.Minutes, model.Seconds));
If you don't have the time zone information, then this wouldn't be possible to solve.
As general advice, you might want to try using Noda Time instead of the built-in stuff. It's much better at helping you figure out this sort of thing. From the main page:
Noda Time is an alternative date and time API for .NET. It helps you to think about your data more clearly, and express operations on that data more precisely.
That appears to be directly the problem you are having here. If you want to clarify some of the questions I asked, I'd be happy to edit my answer and show you exactly how to do this with Noda Time.
Why your question is confusing
We are trying to determine if the current time is within a range of 00:00:00 and 23:59:59
All times are within that range. Well, maybe a value like 23:59:59.1 would be outside of it, but you aren't collecting fractional seconds in your model, so that's irrelevant. But why would you need to validate that? Maybe you are just trying to avoid numbers that aren't valid times at all? Like 99:99:99?
This fails as 14:00 (current time) is not greater than 18:30
Wait - you didn't say anything about comparing one time greater than another. 14:00 and 18:30 are both still in the range you specified.
What would be the best approach to compare just times?
Hard to answer. Are they both UTC times? Is one UTC and one is local? Are they both local? Do you know the time zone of the local times? Are you prepared to deal with ambiguous or invalid local times do to daylight saving time transitions?
Would storing the values as DateTimeOffSet help?
Perhaps, but you haven't given me enough information. It would help only if the date portion is relevant and the you get the correct offsets.
is using ToLocal() ok?
I would argue that no, it's not ok. Local in this context will give you the time zone of the server, which you probably don't want to introduce into your business logic.

So if I understand this correctly you have a time saved in UTC in the database and you are trying to determine whether it falls within a particular time frame? I'm not sure if you want the time frame in local time or UTC so here are both:
DateTime dbTime = model.MyPropertyFromDB;
TimeSpan minTime = new TimeSpan(0, 0, 0);
TimeSpan maxTime = new TimeSpan(23, 59, 59);
if (dbTime.TimeOfDay > minTime && dbTime.TimeOfDay < maxTime)
{
//Within time range (UTC)
}
if (dbTime.ToLocalTime().TimeOfDay > minTime && dbTime.ToLocalTime().TimeOfDay < maxTime)
{
//Within time range (local)
}
Edit: If you want to compare Now to a start and end time from an object in database:
TimeSpan now = DateTime.UtcNow.TimeOfDay;
TimeSpan startDate = model.startDate.TimeOfDay;
TimeSpan endDate = model.endDate.TimeOfDay;
if (now > startDate && now < endDate)
{
//Within time range (UTC)
}

I would say that the methodology being used here is fundamentally flawed and that you need to take a different approach.
new DateTime(DateTime.Now.Year, // Server date
DateTime.Now.Month,
DateTime.Now.Day,
model.Hours, // Local time
model.Minutes,
model.Seconds)
I can't see a way of 'normalising' the input in this way, unless you have a way of reliably knowing exactly which timezone a user is in. Simply, there's no easy way to turn a date built in this way into UTC.
My first question to you is, how is the model being passed from client to server? If you're using javascript/ajax then the solution should be fairly straightforward to solve by constructing the datetime object on the client (which will include their timezone data) and then rely on the browser to convert it to UTC for transit.
If you are using Razor\MVC then you can achieve a similar thing with forms encoding, except that you will need to call ToUTC on the server as the browser won't automatically fix the date for you for this media format.
Both methods require that you build a full datetime object on the client and then submit it, rather than trying to build it from seconds, minutes, hours on the server. You don't need to expose all this to the client of course, as long as the datetime is fully formed at the point of submission.
Once you've got a nice UTC datetime, you can extract just the time if you don't need the rest of it.
Hope this helps.
Pete

How to store my dates?

I don't have much experience with Utc Dates, but from what I know, they are in most cases the best way to store dates.
But I'm currently working on a program and I'm in doubt what will be the best way to store my dates. In the program, a user can follow a course for five weeks, starting on the day of registration. Every day he has to fill in a form, which is saved for that day.
Currently, I'm saving the StartDate and EndDate of the course as DateTime (no Utc) Should I save this as Utc, or isn't it necessary? Because I only need the day (if the user registers on February 8th at 10:04, all the system needs to know is that February 8th is the first day of the course. Is there maybe a better way to store this information? And what would be the best way to save system-event-dates (like user logged in, account created, etc)?
I used to store the form-data also with a DateTime, to calculate on which day it was submitted, but I changed it so it only saves the relative day-number (e.g. day 5).
Btw, I'm using C# and a SQL Server database.

UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) has to do with the time component of a date. It's a standard way to store DateTimes so that you can compare without worrying about timezones.
If all you are worried about is the Date Component & Timezone/Location is unimportant you could just store it in the database as 2012-02-01 00:00:00
You can get the date only component in .NET using
System.DateTime.Today;
Alternatively if you're working with some other Date...
DateTime dt = DateTime.Now;
dt.Date; // <--- this will give the Date Component with the Time stripped back to 00:00:00

Why don't you just store the dates in a DATE database column, and not worry about time zones at all?

Generally you want to store in UTC if there is a functional requirement for your system to be able to work with users in different timezones.
Let's say you have a user in Hong Kong and a user in Sydney looking at the same event. If you want them both see the event date (and time) in their timezones, then here we are, you will probably need to store it in UTC and then present to users respecting their geo locations.
If you don't have such requirements, you don't do such conversions and you only assume one timezone then you don't need to add more complexity into your system, just use Date column and store the current date there.
But if you do - go for UTC. In this scenario you will need DateTime, not just Date. This is because 21:30 in one timezone can be 2:30 next day in another timezone so time really matters.
When showing to a user you may convert it to the user's timezone and then throw time away, but in order to make the conversion correct you will need to keep time.
It is easy to work with UTC in .NET, DateTime has .ToUniversalTime() method that converts a datetime value to UTC for you:
var utcNow = DateTime.Now.ToUniversalTime();
there is also a property:
var utcNow = DateTime.UtcNow;
EDITED
Use TimeZoneInfo static class to convert datetimes from/to timezones you need (for example from UTC to the specified user's timezone:
TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTimeToUtc(...)
TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTimeFromUtc(...)

Convert facebook date time to C# date time

Hi i have notice there two date times facebook gives, one is a date time from Unix Epoch and other is RFC 3339 Datetime (if i am not wrong). I wanted to know what is the best way to convert between each other. I have tried DateTime.TryParse() method but some times it dosent return the correct parsed date. Like it gives 21-Dec-2010 7:21:56 AM for 2010-12-21T01:51:56+0000. But it seems it doesn't parse time correctly. So plese tell how to change between epoch times and above datetime in C# datetime.

DateTime.Parse is converting a UTC date to your local timezone.
To retrieve the original UTC date, call ToUniversalTime().

Building a Datetime Object for SQL database insert

I'm working on a small web form that requires the user to input (among other things), the scheduled backup time of whatever server they're adding to the system. The problem is, I'm struggling to find out the best way to take the user input and build a DateTime object (which is what the database requires).
I only really care about the Day of Week, Time of Day (12 or 24 hour clock).
I thought about just creating an empty DateTime object and then just adding my input values from the user, but you can only get, not set, the day of week, time of day, etc.
I've been looking at the Calender asp control, which would work for the day of the week selection, but I can't seem to find any support of time of day.
Thanks.

I don't think you want to use a DateTime for a recurring event such as a backup. A DateTime is useful for storing a particular date and time, but not a "template" for a recurring event. Instead I'd use separate columns to store the day of week value (0-6) and time of date (minutes after midnight) for the event.

If you going to use datepicker here is one great sample for adding JQuery date picker using C#. That helped me including in my project evrn if I did know anything abaut JQuery and java sripts at all.

DateTime is a immutable value type. You cannot set anything on it.
Assumed that you stick with DateTime on the DB and you don't want to use a DateTimePicker control.
You have to specify how the day of week and the time should be represented in the DateTime. You can start with DateTime.MinValue, the 1.1.0001, 12:00 at midnight, and add the day of week and the time. unfortunately, a regular DateTime field in a SqlServer 2005 is not able to store this date. So lets move it to the year 2000. The 1.1.2000 was a Saturday. You could calculate the DateTime like this:
int dayOfWeek; // 0 = mon, 6 = son
DateTime time;
DateTime scheduleTime = new DateTime(2000, 1, (dayOfWeek + 2) % 6 + 1)
+ time.TimeOfDay;
But honestly, I wouldn't do it. It smells. I just answered your question. Listen to tvanfosson. He said everything that needs to be said.